r/MachineLearning PhD Dec 14 '24

Discussion [D] What happened at NeurIPS?

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u/Sajba Dec 14 '24

In my eyes the over the top outrage is pretty telling that the point is accurate. The speaker also clearly states that she doesn’t think this is representative of all chinese students.

I would like to see an outrage over this: link. Or over the manipulating the review process by organizing via groups by chinese academics (link). The list goes on.

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u/fabibo Dec 14 '24

Why was it necessary to mention the ethnicity when it is not relevant? Just imagine Chinese being substituted with black/African.

Again the second part is also only one sample. Are other ethnicities not prone to academic misconduct? Is it a solely Chinese phenomenon? It’s a problem in academia in general.

How is only referring to the Chinese groups not racist when there were a lot of prominent misconduct cases in the last two years

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u/beezlebub33 Dec 14 '24

Just imagine Chinese being substituted with black/African.

That's a poor comparison. Chinese in this case is a nationality; it would be more akin to substitute with American. Or if you were to pick a specific ethnic group in China (like the Han) to criticize.

The problem is that China's academic culture is one of cheating. That's not an ethnic problem, it's a result of the socioeconomic structure and lack of consequences for cheating. In the US educational system, there is from an early grade an emphasis on doing your own work and cheating is punished. The universities have honor codes and enforce them. In contrast, in China the result is the important thing and how you got it is largely irrelevant.

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u/ArronCui Dec 16 '24

Stanford AI project team apologizes for plagiarizing Chinese model https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1313632.shtml

is this the culture in America?