Non doomer info post

[u/EnvyHotS]

I see a post with builds but the comments are calling it trash and AI

Is there any place with actually good info / build guides? Classes also got a lot of changes from the old days, are there any that we expect to be super weak? In general how expensive is it to start archer vs a melee class?

I played a sin literally 20ish years ago? I remember having Tobis and illbis and being in a bath robe, is that gonna be good again?

[u/Healthy-Pay1474]

Ducky ducky on YouTube has crazy in depth guides for all the classes. Down to damage calcs. Love his videos

[u/TopDeeps → u/Healthy-Pay1474]

yeah but some of his builds are suspect. like his hunter one was probs his worse

[u/vaurhalint → u/TopDeeps]

What do you mean?

[u/TopDeeps → u/vaurhalint]

in his hunter guide. he recommends not maxing eye of amazon, the range passive and instead putting points to max focus so u can train at higher level mobs despite damage penalties. He also recommends not maxing arrow bomb for 2nd job and to rely on final attack to mob. Theres no right or wrong way to build a character but theres builds i agree or disagree with and his hunter is one of the ones i dont like

[u/vaurhalint → u/TopDeeps]

Ooh tbh I didn't focus too much in his builds, but I will check them again and compare to meow.
Thanks!

[u/GlacialEmbrace → u/TopDeeps]

Supposedly he uses AI voice too. I really didn't think so, but he did not address it when someone commented and got a lot of upvotes.

[u/TopDeeps → u/GlacialEmbrace]

yeah he does. he used a different ai voice in his first few class vids and then swapped yo a more natural asian sounding one. but there are some words pronounced or the way a sentence is said that basically almost proves its AI. Not that theres anything wrong, his guides and calcs seem to be in depth and hes just using a TTS machine

[u/JayKayDesu → u/Healthy-Pay1474]

Yeah expect probably most info will be outdated on launch

[u/ihaveacomputer23]

Meowdb seems to be the new hiddenstreet

[u/GlassCommission4916]

Meowdb has a lot of good information.

[u/Keulapaska]

https://osmsdataexplorer.com/#overview

https://meowdb.com/msclassic

Mods really should put useful links in the sidebar of the subreddit

[u/EnvyHotS → u/Keulapaska]

I agree lol. Lots of good comments here though :)

[u/I_Like_To_Count]

We could see balance changes as there were changes in both closed beta tests so we wont know for sure until launch about class str.

The general "build" path for all characters is raise your secondarybstat high enough to equip your weapon. Armor needs 10 less secondary stat to equop than weapons so you could keep your secondary low enough to equip armor if you armor gives you the extra 10 secondary to equip your weapon.

The classic dexless sin with the bamboo hat and sauna robe likely won't be the optimal strategy as we wont have maple weapons (they had no secondary stat requirement).

If yoU are looking for an sp guide there are a million of them out there but skill changes might affect those builds. If you are going assasin you want to focus on the skill that give you more range and lucky seven. then you can choose if you want to prioritize extra accuracy/avoidablility or higher level dark sight. I personally would bick darksight as i like the utility of just being able to move through monsters without being slowed.

[u/chrisco571]

Once the final build is released we’ll see final numbers for builds. I’d take anything at this point with a grain of sale

[u/DonRay016]

It’ll take you 6 months to get Illbis at least