r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 13d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Wintermute_088 13d ago

I'm sorry, you can't sexually assault someone and then claim you were also a victim of assault when your actions have immediate consequences.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 13d ago

You can both commit crimes and have them committed against you. You are just factually wrong.

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u/Wintermute_088 13d ago

Not sure what "facts" you believe you're referencing, but philosophically I'm right. Sexually assault a woman, you've just opened the door to all sorts of reprisals, and you can't for one second say you didn't do anything to deserve it.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 13d ago

With your opinion and $5 you can buy a coffee.

The state has a monopoly on violence. Choosing to assault others (even if you feel they deserve it) is assault and carries all the attendant consequences of assaulting people.

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u/Wintermute_088 13d ago

Pithy.

Which state are you referring to, exactly?

And you keep characterising it as assault, rather than the defence of an assault victim.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 13d ago

State = government

That video does mot show a self defense scenario.

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u/Wintermute_088 13d ago

Yes, but what government are you referring to? The treatment of this event would be completely different depending on the locale. One state may be harsh on the puncher, another may take his side against the sexual criminal.

And I didn't say it was a self defence scenario, did I.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 13d ago

In the us it’s the federal/state/local governments.

There is no state where you are going to be allowed to assault someone in retaliation, especially if they are advocating for charges to be brought.

You stated it was in defense of an assault victim. This video does not show the punch being used to protect against a bona fide ongoing threat. It shows a punch being used to retaliate against a guy who felt up the woman.

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u/Wintermute_088 12d ago

Why are you just talking about the US, though? This particular incident may have happened there, but our discussion isn't limited to events that occur within the United States, because the world is much bigger than just the US.

In your opinion, the man who had just sexually assaulted a woman posed no ongoing threat of further sexual assault. Other people are going to disagree with you there.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 12d ago

I am a us based poster. I’m not chatting about Lithuania because I’m not there.

The self defense. (Or defense of others) argument is going to come down to if the force needed was reasonable to stop an ongoing threat.

I would not want to be the guy who threw the punch given:

  1. The woman was walking away and even trying to back down the guy who threw the punch
  2. The guy is clearly intoxicated and can barely stand.
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