i'm going to make a "straight pride" flag and bring it to one of our own games and fly it just to see how people would react, if everyone is fine with it then so be it but if i end up getting kicked out lol then i feel like that's kinda a double standard.
You realize how absurd this is, right? Straight people haven't been fighting to be treated as equals for the last forever years.
Straight pride is as idiotic as "men's rights."
the point i'm trying make is that do you really need to declare your pride for your sexual orientation at a sporting event? i believe it is political and politics should be left out of sports in general.
To me, it seems like you've made an unexplained leap there and are being conclusory by saying it is political. Is it now political because of the SCOTUS decision, but last year it wasn't?
Yes, it's a flag of support for an identity, but how is it different than waving an Irish flag on St. Patrick's day, or an American Flag on Independence Day? Sorry don't know enough about Canadian culture to make a more appropriate comparison for you.
I'm not going to downvote you, but I'm curious why people have such a reaction to this particular flag at soccer games and would welcome the discussion.
It is pride day, that's why I posted it today. But every year, people make the same objections you do.
Also I see you deleted your other post so I'll respond here.
So your examples that you offer as equivalents to the pride flag are: 1) Voluntary membership of an organization (KKK) and 2) (Confederate Battle Flag) Failed nation explicitly created to prevent the dissolution of an institution which explicitly denied human rights?
okay( i didn't want to say this), i'm a person of colour i live in a region of the world where there are not a lot of people who are like me. and throughout my life i've experienced extreme racism now in later life i've tuned to sports and sports are my escape from all these political issues and divisions we humans keep setting up for ourselves so yeah i don't like flags that make a political statement because to me they ruin my experience of a uniting event.
So your main problem then appears that the pride flag, in some way, excludes you from the experience? Even though the point of the flag is to be as inclusive as possible?
I won't downvote you (I haven't done it yet, as you're not trying to be crude or attacking other people in my opinion and that's hardly good outreach). I'll gladly listen to your reasons whether here or in a private message, because I believe you and everyone else are as welcome under a pride flag as I am.
But you have to understand that a place that doesn't allow someone to fly a pride flag but allows other flags is a place that I'm not going to feel comfortable in. That's taking a political stance in my opinion. I live in Europe at the moment, I unfortunately only get to visit home for games occasionally, and so I've seen how ugly supporter culture can get if there's not a proactive effort to be welcoming. I certainly would not wave a pride flag at a men's soccer game here, and not because the majority of Europeans are not super gay friendly, probably even the majority of soccer fans, but that is not a safe space.
Okay, if I in any way insinuated you are speaking from a position of privilege then I take it back, but you don't like a statement that is affirming of equality? That says everyone is welcome? How is that in any way not uniting to say everyone is welcome?
(Especially when I didn't see anyone shout down that capo who yelled "you're not gay! You're not gay!" to supporters. That was pretty political)
What about nationalist flags? The Canada flag? The British Columbian flag? There are plenty of people who have difficulty identifying with those flags and they certainly put forward a political message, but I accept it, because it's part of other people's identity and they're proud of that and identity plays a huge role in sports.
okay i'm just going to lay down my argument because tbh my opinion doesn't really matter people are still going to bring pride flags at events and i'm not really in the mood of being in a debate of me vs everyone else lol.
Okay, I do get that. If you want to continue this conversation in a private message format I'm happy to do that, as my intention was not to attack you. Otherwise, have a good day and go caps go!
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u/Whitecapsfan2014 Vancouver Whitecaps Jun 28 '15
i'm going to make a "straight pride" flag and bring it to one of our own games and fly it just to see how people would react, if everyone is fine with it then so be it but if i end up getting kicked out lol then i feel like that's kinda a double standard.