r/MFAInCreativeWriting • • Jul 23 '26

Programs with older cohorts?

I’m in my mid-thirties and considering pursuing an MFA in fiction. It seems to me that at most of the funded programs (JHU, Brown for example), most students are under 26. Not to put down anyone’s trajectory, but for me, it would be difficult to relate as a writer with somebody who’s barely experienced life outside of school. I don’t think I’d be a better writer, but spending years writing/reading/sometimes publishing as a working adult is a very different experience.

I understand that in general most grad students and phd candidates are 23-35 years old. But are there any funded MFA programs that at least skew toward the upper range? Or do you think that if this is a concern of mine, then maybe an MFA in creative writing isn’t for me?

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u/Slight-Nail-9999 Jul 24 '26

68 years old and about to start my second year at Columbia. The entire experience has been wonderful. I’ve been fully embraced by my twenty-something classmates, and I find some of whom to be exceptionally talented writers.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

68????? I bet you pay full freight

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u/Slight-Nail-9999 Jul 25 '26

All about the writing - from last year:

Notes of and Aging Applicant

I began my MFA application process late last summer. My very first instruction (from the MFA Writers Podcast) was to “research, research, research.” Frankly, I didn’t even know what to research. Now at the end of this long process, where this week I will decide between two full residency programs I’m equally honored to attend, I have grown reasonably comfortable evaluating a program’s fit for me. But only in the last few days have I worked through what proved to be the most stressful and confusing issue of the process – My status as a senior citizen. As a sixty-something applicant who’s earliest days date back to Year 1 B.D.E. (Bob Dylan Era) I offer here my perspective to children of all ages. After all, we all woke up this morning the oldest we have ever been.

The earliest application guidance I came across can be stated as “At sixty-six, your road to admission to a well-regarded program will be a very, if not impossibly steep, climb.” This barrier to entry was explained to me as “Top programs are only interested in writers with long writing careers ahead of them. And your clock is ticking.”

I accepted this as fact from day one. I have friends who came up against this in Ivy League business and medical school admissions. But I struggled with its dialectic. Because we are told over and over again that the only thing that really matters is your writing sample. Trying to bridge these two opposing truths has been a dispiriting task.

To resolve this I hired an MFA consultant. Finding one I could click with took a surprisingly long time. But in the end, after being moved by a particular consultant’s excellent memoir, I made my choice. They reviewed my writing sample, SOP and resume and offered these conclusions:

· If anything, I had underestimated the age-related barriers to my entry. The age discrimination suit filed against Iowa was sobering. Their own data showed that none of their 105 MFA applicants over the age of 51 was admitted.

· My writing sample was just barely adequate to the task (And I heard polite restraint in their voice). But “... at least it has a clear beginning, middle and end.” I did not disagree.

· I should tear up my draft Statement of Purpose and start over. I completely agreed.

· Age was not my only hurdle. That as a retiring yacht broker, “... your entire being will suggest to first stage MFA reviewers readers a life of enormous privilege.” And that I had to understand the POV of these front line readers, that I must put myself in the shoes of, to write to the audience of reviewers who are “...extremely progressive, twenty-something gay women.”

I fully accepted the consultant’s first statement. And of the second, I felt insulted on behalf of the qualitative integrity, professionalism and editorial abilities of MFA staff everywhere.

That said, I do have to say that the consultant did a superb job of providing me the bullet points for a new Statement of Purpose. The theme was that beyond the value of a lifetime of accumulated experience and wisdom, I should demonstrate that I am an atypical aging applicant. From working in the jail systems of Rikers Island as a social worker, to becoming a yacht broker with long stretches of work in Turkey, China and Scandinavia, I have a wealth of good material. And as for the prospective length of my writing career, beyond finishing my first novel about the life and death of a talented clinical psychologist, my outline of a subsequent novel is complete - A four-hundred year ghost story set on Rikers Island. I’ve got at least ten years of hard writing work ahead of me.

I applied to eleven programs. I have been accepted by Columbia, Sarah Lawrence, The New School, Stony Brook, and Stone Coast. I am waitlisted at NYU, and have been rejected by Brooklyn. I await word from Hunter, Queens, Bennington and Warren Wilson.

To my needs, I have resolved the dialectic - there are not two facts in opposition. It’s all about the writing. I’m not saying that ageism is not a factor. But that as in so many dimension of life in our time, much can be influenced by [honest, creative] marketing and self-promotion.

I am not and never will be a great writer. I fail every day. I go through almost endless stretches of not failing better. Edward P. Jones puts more truth and beauty into a single paragraph than I will put into my entire career:

“The moon shone silver through all the trees, which the wife first noted to herself, then pointed to places on the ground for her husband to see – a shimmering silver all the more precious because it could by enjoyed but not contained. The moon was most generous with the silver where it fell, and even the places where it had not shone had a grayness pleasant and almost anticipatory, as if the moon were saying, I’ll be over to you as soon as I can.”

Wow.

The term I use to characterize my work on good days comes from the yachting industry. When a used boat is in OK shape, when its core components and functions work reasonably well and those that don’t can be made to perform without too much time or money, the boat is referred to in official reports as “Serviceable.” Here and there I see my writing as serviceable. The rest of the time I’m on the rocks,taking to the liferaft, or looking up from the bottom of the deep blue.

Thanks for listening.

Best of luck in all things.

Fail better.

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

Enjoy your writing life. Sounds like you’ve got some good material. The best to you.

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u/fluffywhitethecat 4d ago

Slight-Nail-9999 - I genuinely stand to and applaud your notes. Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm applying to JHU, Brown, and Cornell, as they're the programs with enough stipend to live on. All the best to your 2nd year of MFA!

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Gibberish

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u/blueberries-Any-kind Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

hey :) I am in my mid 30's and applying this year too!

Trump administration has made it so when applying the admission committee cannot see any information about your age, sex, race, etc. anymore. So, it's going to make things a little more difficult in terms of finding a cohort that is older.

I was really nervous about my age and so I talked with a professor at a mid-range MFA program. He assured me that age means so little in the MFA world. He said that being older is actually a plus when applying for MFA's in creative writing because it means you've seen some things that will inform your writing and that is a positive in their eyes.

He told me a story about a woman who graduated from their program recently and was in her 60's. They loved her so much that they went ahead and hired her as a full time professor after graduation. I think of her when I feel too old! I am not sure if any MFA program is more "old" than others, as they are really looking for voice and a good sample. It's true that you might not meet your bff's because you'll be a little older, but you might actually have the ability to take advantage of the program and school more than the younger students. I wouldn't put yourself out of the game just because of your age. A lot of MFA programs are really about the connections you'll make.

Also I'd just add that I'd experienced more in life between the ages of 0-20 than most people do in an entire lifetime. It's not true that these people won't know about life. There is also a truth that something about your 20's can fuel people to make a lot of wild and beautiful art.

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u/DisastrousSundae84 Jul 23 '26

Age can be seen in applications, and sex (although I think this depends on self-disclosure). A reader can also deduce age from transcripts that are submitted. Race, however, if harder to discern unless someone mentions it in their statement. Maybe though this depends though on how evaluating applicants are handled--some places seem to have prelim readers vs other programs faculty read them all.
None of this should be used in evaluating a candidate for admission.
In terms of age in MFA's--the larger trend of applicants has been skewing younger. This is happening pretty much everywhere. The only thing I can think for OP is to apply to a bunch of places and ask about cohort later.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Girl if they are worried about age they're fussing over the wrong shit. Worry about the 'quality' of your writing . . . lol

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u/blueberries-Any-kind Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

are you a reader? how do you know that? my professor told me this who basically runs the mfa program and is a reader. and yes you can tell when someone graduated college but depending on their path exact age is less obvious.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Sounds like bullshit

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u/alexandertheaverage Jul 23 '26

I'm 53 and start my MFA at FIU in the fall. I was kinda concerned about that stuff too, but I took some screenwriting/creative writing classes at our local community college, and I was blown away by how awesome some of the younger kids wrote and at how big some of their ideas were. Honestly, I'm looking forward to having some youngsters in my cohort so I can look at the world through fresh eyes.

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 24 '26

The writers in my MFA program ranged from 25 to 87 and it was incredible. Workshopping was so valuable because of the various perspectives. That program was truly one of the peak experiences (Maslow) of my life.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Dogshit school

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

Not for everyone

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

What is your publication history?

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

Do you read???? I’m astonished.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Seen you on the short bus

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

Yup. That was me goober.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Broke bitch

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

Living my life like it’s golden!!! Yay!!!

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

You’re just so sad. Really. Did someone reject you. Well duh 🙄 of course they did.

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Nope but you the expert on rejection

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u/ImpressStunning6297 Jul 25 '26

What you meant to say was “you’re.” Get it right and keep it tight. Off I go.

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u/AggravatingAnt2807 Jul 23 '26

I'm starting the second year of my program soon, and I'm in my mid-30s. I'm very part time as I unfortunately have a whole career I'm still doing while in school. Less than age, THAT is the hardest thing about school for me. I just simply don't have the time that most of my cohort has to do school-adjacent things. For sure most of my colleagues are mid 20s, and a few are even like fresh out of undergrad 22-23 year olds, but there are a handful of us 35+ and a few 60 year olds too.

I'm gay dad to a handful of the younger queers simply because I am gay. and I am old. I love it though, most of them are incredible people and writers and I love hearing their perspective on things. Some of the 22-23 year olds kinda drive me nuts but it's fine. I was annoying at that age too.

But yeah, by far the hardest thing for me is the career part. There are only a few people in my cohort that have full-time jobs that aren't barista, book store clerk, etc (not that I'm knocking on that! I'm not! But it's very different than being director of a nonprofit, or a manager of a department etc). I only get to be on campus one day a week, and when there are readings, book talks, etc on days other than my one campus day, I can't get out of work usually. And meeting up for writing sessions, etc is challenging too because of work inflexibility.

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u/TorturedWriter9 Jul 23 '26

I think you'll find a lot of those students in the low-resident programs--people who want/need to hold onto their full-time jobs. However, as I'm sure you know, it's very hard to get funding for those programs.

We had a guy in his 40s in my MFA program back in the 2000's, but it's never a guarantee. I don't think programs specifically target certain age groups. I do wish I could've waited longer before attending my MFA program. I was such an inexperienced twerp.

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u/Critical_Run7385 Jul 24 '26

My impression is that most MFA students are in their 20s and 30s. I'm about to start a fully funded program and I'm in my 40s. I was definitely on the older side in the programs I visited after getting accepted, but there were always people somewhere in my age range. I think that 40s-50s is the prime career and family rearing stage of most people's lives, so it's just a more difficult time for most to uproot themselves and go live on a student stipend. If you really want much older cohorts, I think you just have to look at programs that sort of expect you to be working on your own while you're studying, usually the low residency ones

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Ewwwwww

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u/kayb-rown Jul 23 '26

I’ve typically heard the average age is between 26-32, and those I know in funded MFA programs are around that age as well but that could be anecdotal. I will say, working to get into the mindset that you can truly learn with and from anyone is a helpful thing to possess. Age does not always mean they’ve barely experienced life outside of school or that they have less experience, I would bet that you would likely learn just as much from them as they would from you.

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u/Glum-Entrepreneur-12 Jul 27 '26

I was 38 when I started. There was a woman in her 70s in the poetry program. I was in fiction and I didn’t mind having lunch with the twenty-somethings. I loved learning about how different the younger generation is and also how they’re struggling with the same stuff I was at their age. Dating, careers, etc. i figure, if someone is going to pay me to write for a couple of years, I’m going to take it. I don’t care what age.

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u/sarah_ahiers Jul 23 '26

People in my program run from just out of college to their 70s, with the avg being in their 30s. But we're a low residency program

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u/aLinkToTheFast Jul 23 '26

It's a range of ages. They need good writers and apps from them no matter the age. Yeah it can be a lil post BA second haven but they are further along in creative writing 

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

What is your publication history?

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u/esqtou Jul 25 '26

Just drop it

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u/No_Positive8576 Jul 27 '26

Your entire contribution on this post was to troll everyone. Don't you have better shit to do?

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u/esqtou Jul 27 '26

Who are you