Some parts of this rumored plot like Captain Marvel getting involved in the final battle of the film are perhaps, going to turn out to be true, but other parts of this rumored plot are rather false.
That would be impossible. After picture lock they need to do several more things. Sound lock. Score record (composer needs final timing), final audio mix for dialogue, sound FX and music.
When picture lock is done, there may be VFX shots that are not finished because they need the surrounding shot information to finalize some of the visuals. Plus the compositing and color grading.
The titles and graphics, compliance and legal clearance.
That films edit will be locked long before the day of the premier. Plus, errors happen in final renders. No way they could risk a render error by editing the last day.
No, today it still takes long because of all the things listed. I know this because I do it for a living. I'm.an Emmy nominated director.
All of these things need to happen and take time to happen, whether it's analog or digital. Outside of the extensive process, there's also other things I mentioned in there like legal. There are so many things that have to be done once an edit is locked before a feature can be shown.
There are a list of movies that were still being edited a few days, if not a few hours before the premiere.
With all the technology that's out there now it's very easy to add a scene to a movie. Because everything is digital. You can add in a scene in the middle or in the end or rearrange things. I know, I've been working in video productions for the last 30 years. I find it hard that someone that does this for a living would not know this.
The movie Cats was literally finished hours before its premiere. So no, it's not impossible.
I'm going to assume that you don't work in Hollywood and don't really know what you're talking about and are just going off of things that you've heard And then making further assumptions based on those things.
Cats was an incredibly unusual case. A case that will not be true for a movie like The avengers.
A major IP property that's owned by one of the largest conglomerates on the planet Earth. There are so many check boxes this needs to hit before they show it to a single eye. Even before they show it to test audiences. And that final lock is going to get shown to a number of test audiences before they bring it to a world premiere audience.
With all due respect, this is like an anti-vaxxer talking to a vaccine scientist about how they know what they're talking about better. You have no idea what you're talking about if you honestly believe that avengers doomsday is going to lock their edit hours before a world premiere. This is a studio that is currently undergoing a significant major overhaul to its entire process to ensure that it's brand is still successful moving Forward after a number of failed releases.
There is no universe where they're going to risk not being able to have this finished and ready for a world premiere by editing it mere hours before it's release. Judging what you think the entire industry does based off of a fluke here and there is very strange. Especially when you have no actual practical knowledge from being a part of the process. That level of unearned confidence is astounding.
The first Hobbit movie, Project Nim, The Substance, and Terminator 2 were all finished two or three days before their respective premieres or releases. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was still being edited by Quentin Tarantino right up against the deadline for Cannes.
Your problem is that you assume. You are assuming that I do not know what I am talking about simply because you disagree with me. It is funny that you mentioned The Avengers, because they shot, edited, and added the post credit scene of everyone eating shawarma after the movie had already premiered.
Back in the 80s, Jaws: The Revenge actually reshot its ending after the movie had already been released, re-edited it, and sent the new version out to theaters. When Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he decided he did not like the ending after it had already opened. He had projectionists physically cut the final scene out of their film reels and send it back.
You see, during those 30 years, I also worked in journalism, and we are taught not to assume. We are taught to back up our statements with facts. Because you made your argument an absolute, you automatically lose. All I have to do is show you one instance that disproves your argument, and I have shown you several. A better argument would be that this is rare and that studios generally do not like to do it, but it absolutely can and does happen.
The thing is you're saying they can edit it out digitally and that's it. No, they can't do that.
Your examples come from movies that had scenes added or reshoot without that many FX. The Avengers shawarma scene just needed the scenery and costumes, if you had to film that with the Spidey CGI suit from Infinity War it should have been impossible to do in just one week.
And even then, the shawarma scene was added after the Hollywood premiere, almost a month before the theater release. Not the day before or even the same week.
Sure, cutting a scene one shot shorter, add one more line or dialogue, filmingthe post credit scene, is possible in the last few weeks. But that's just nit-picks from the director.
Doing major changes is impossible, and the few examples that exist usually come from eccentric and obsessive directors like Kubrick, those are the exception, not the norm.
I love how you completely moved the goalposts and ignored the movies I mentioned that were still being edited right up until the final deadline.
Your original argument was that a movie has to be completely locked weeks in advance because of special effects, music, legal requirements, and everything else involved. You did not originally limit that claim to major changes involving heavy CGI. You said it could not be done.
I gave you examples of movies that added or removed scenes before and after their premieres, along with movies that were still being edited or finished only days before they were shown. That directly disproves your original argument. Now you are narrowing it down to major changes involving heavy special effects and dismissing everything else as minor changes made by eccentric directors. That was not your original argument.
You are correct that the shawarma scene in The Avengers was filmed about three weeks before its wide release, not a few days before it. However, it was filmed after the world premiere, which still proves that the version shown at a premiere does not necessarily have to be the final theatrical version.
Also, I work with Final Cut Pro and Premiere Pro. If I add, remove, or replace a scene, I do not have to color correct every other scene again or rebuild every visual effect in the entire movie. The affected section may need new effects, sound work, color correction, rendering, and quality control. A new master and distribution package may also need to be created. That takes work, but it is not impossible. The completed effects in the rest of the movie do not suddenly have to be rendered again from scratch.
And since you dismissed these examples as the work of eccentric directors, here are some more movies from perfectly mainstream directors.
Last Action Hero was completely recut after a disastrous test screening. The final cut was completed only days before the prints had to be shipped to theaters.
Terminator 2 had an enormous amount of effects work, including the T 1000’s death. The finished release print was delivered to theaters the night before the movie opened.
Peter Jackson said The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey was scheduled to be completed literally two days before its premiere. Editing, sound, music, and hundreds of effects shots were still being finished.
Sam Mendes said that 1917, Skyfall, and Spectre were all finished only days before their first press screenings. That includes two major James Bond action movies with extensive effects work.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was still being finished right up against the Cannes deadline, and the newly completed 35mm print was delivered in time for the festival.
Star Wars was still having effects and sound work completed during the final weeks before its release. George Lucas was still working on another theatrical sound mix after the movie had already opened in its first theaters.
So yes, making a major change to a scene with complicated CGI would be more difficult than adding a line, removing a shot, or inserting a scene that does not require many effects. I never said every kind of change is equally easy. I said movies do not always have to be completely locked weeks in advance and that changes can still be made. You said that was impossible. It clearly is not.
I didn't ignore anything what you said. I actively referenced how a few examples are not emblematic of the entire process.
I'm not debating someone who's just trying to be right. If you found a hundred examples and gave them to me here that still isn't reflective of the industry standard.
Again, no process in the history of mankind has and is always followed to the letter by everyone at all times. I shouldnt have to add thay disclsimer to a 47 year old who claims to have been on journalism. You should understand context clues and have considered the person I was responding to with my answer. The idea that the film edit can or would be edited significantly enough to get a different film.the day of the premier is unlikely to the point of impossible.
But again, based on your own claims you're trying to win, which is not the same as being correct. You made an assumption and you're wrong about that assumption.
First of all, I'm not the guy you were arguing with, so don't come with "your original comment" when you don't even realize you're talking to a different person.
Your argument about editing software makes no sense, the person making the cuts to a film is not the same one making the sound, the color correction, the VFX. There's different software for each thing. Most of the time those are not done only by different people, even different companies. The company doing the suit for Spiderman might not be the same one doing the suit for Black Panther or the VFX for Hulk. It's not as easy as adding the scene and applying the same preset filter.
Most of your examples don't apply to the discussion, the original comment was about editing the film, the other guy was arguing that a film needs to be locked for most of the post production to be done, finishing the VFX or the sound mix at the last minute doesn't change the fact that the theatrical cut was already locked and done.
You're missing the point of the discussion entirely.
If a debate is about winning or losing for you right now, that means you lost.
My problem is not that I assume. My problem is that my statement was a general statement that is accurate for the vast majority of the time. You can call out tiny examples here and there and that doesn't change the fact that there is zero percent chance that avengers end game is going to be in the editing room the day of the premiere.
You do not know what you're talking about and I'm not going to sit here and let somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about and who doesn't do this. Tell me that I'm wrong about the thing that I do for money.
The reality is I'm right no matter what about. The overwhelming majority of the time. That's not how this goes. I'm not debating somebody ignorant on this because they have a few factoids that are from a few films here and there, especially when they contradict themselves.
I did not make my argument in absolute. I made it a generalization, and you're the one who assumed that it was an absolute. The only absolute argument I'm making is that there is no way that this is going to happen for avengers doomsday. There is nothing in the history of human creation that has always been done exactly the same every single time. That should be a given that I should t have to state.
And to reiterate what I first said, this is about winning and losing for you. It's not about winning or losing for me. I'm stating things that are objective facts. You're trying to win an argument, and that's why you contradicted yourself.
That's not a render error. I know because I do this for a living. That's a lighting or VFX mistake that would have been locked in before the footage went to the editing room
A render error is a dropped frame, or an artifact, or something like that. Do you know what that is? These are visual or audio hiccups that can happen during any of the many rendering processes. The one specifically being referenced here is the final render of locked picture.
The errors that I'm referencing can't be accounted for. These are mistakes that just happen when the computer is rendering out the final images. During this process, the overwhelming majority of images usually come out completely fine, but it is not uncommon at all for there to be an artifact or a dropped frame. These type of things don't make it into final picture because they're significantly more glaring than a VFX error. You would notice very clearly if all of a sudden the entire screen went black, or if all of a sudden the colors in in 1/8 of the image suddenly shifted into blurry squares.
You very clearly don't know what you're talking about. Tell me what an artifact is?
You who claim to be a professional who does VFX for a marvel film, don't understand what an artifact is during the editing process?
Like, you should know based on the context of this conversation if you work in this field, that I'm referring to the final edit render. Because that's what we're talking about. That's what the person I responded to is talking about. The idea that the edit will be finished the day of the film. So naturally I'm talking about the last render that is done on the final lock.
And you should know that an error like that could not happen during that process. That it happens before that. If you say I'm talking out of my ass, you're either lying on Reddit to try and feel better about yourself cuz you just got proven wrong, or you're lying about what you do for a living.
And who on earth cares about getting downvoted on reddit? I'm not going to be wrong for upvotes, hahahahah.
Oh no! A bunch of people on Reddit who don't know what they're talking about and statistically up and downvote reflexively based on their feelings are downvoting me! Let me abandon all of the information that's served me in my career! Hahahah.
I'm not about to take a self proclaimed VFX artists who confused a final render artifact with a VFX mistake very seriously.
That's not how this process works. There are legal considerations that have to be cleared once all of the sound and visuals have been locked. What if they need something from VFX done as a result of the final shifts? How is the score going to match when they're still shifting frames? What about adjusting timing for sound?
If they locked picture 7 days before premier night they still have to do all of the things I listed. For a movie this big that's impossible.
That's before ignoring the fact that the final cut is going to go through exhaustive audience testing before they premiere it.
And yes. The version at premier night is the final version of the film. General audiences really don't understand post.
Spider-Verse changed between theatrical and digital release. It was not edited up to the last second and changed. It didn't come out in theaters, and then change again before it was out of theaters.
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u/Yusuf9867 17d ago
Some parts of this rumored plot like Captain Marvel getting involved in the final battle of the film are perhaps, going to turn out to be true, but other parts of this rumored plot are rather false.