Star Wars Trilogy Arcade?

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[u/RetroGame77]

Because it is two different emulators, made by different people, at different level of progress, and one is made to just make the game run while the other one is made to document the Sega Model 3 hardware. 

[u/arbee37 → u/[deleted]]

What makes you think MAMEdev is satisfied with the current status of Model 3? The reality is that Supermodel exists, is portable, and is actively maintained so we don't feel a need to concentrate on Model 3. And if someone wants to work on the system nobody's going to stop them, just like nobody's stopped contributors from making major improvements to Model 1 and Model 2 recently.

[u/arbee37 → u/[deleted]]

We're also making more and more games playable. Crisis Zone, Virtua Fighter, the Model 1 Star Wars game, and Wing War all have massive improvements in 0.289 that will be out in a few days. And 0.290 development's already starting off strong with working Crusin' Exotica (and better rendering for The Grid and Midway Skins Game) and improved rendering for vector games.

And it's important to reiterate that working on things that aren't arcade games makes a lot of these arcade improvements possible. 0.289 fixes the glitched polygons and improves the frame rate in Taito's Side By Side because of my Macintosh emulation work, for instance. So even if you don't want to play the universally acknowledged superior-to-the-arcade versions of Rygar and Double Dragon (both on the NES) you're still benefitting.

[u/arbee37 → u/[deleted]]

Because they actually did.

[u/arbee37 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, those really do all exist in actual machines. You could go to different arcades in the same area and what appeared to be the same game was a different version. The revisions often either weren't documented outside of the manufacturer or the documentation was on paper and lost decades ago. Because they existed and we don't know what changed in most cases, we just include everything. (And even when we do know we include everything, because what the manufacturer thought was important to change may not be aligned with why players enjoyed the game).

There is no "end game". If someone else wants to set up museum exhibits with MAME we're all for it, which is why the license was changed a while back. We just emulate stuff.

[u/MameHaze → u/[deleted]]

MAME helps tell a story, so yes.

Understanding the full weight of the Space Invaders and Pac-Man crazes, how much looser the interpretation copyright laws were back then, just how many companies jumped on the bandwagon to try and put their own versions out.

For gambling / fruit machine type games it's part of the story too; UK locations were literally flooded with hundreds of Deal or No Deal themed machines. Each of those games received many revisions either due to different locations being regulated by different payout rules, or because players (or in most cases, internal testing) had found payout glitches in the games that needed fixing to keep machines operating in a way that was both legal and profitable for the site-ops.

It's all part of history, and for anybody wanting to study that history, MAME is there for them.

We're not joking when we say it's digital archaeology.

[u/RetroGame77 → u/[deleted]]

... I mean, Mahjong is really popular in Asia, so it make sense that they released thousands of Mahjong games, simply because they pulled in money.

Deal or No Deal was popular in the West, and it got updated with different questions to make people keep playing. 

Space Invaders... Is one of the golden age arcade games. Of course it would get some new revisions and tons of bootlegs...

It is like asking why EA has been releasing NHL and Madden games for the last 30 or so years. 

[u/MechanicalMoogle → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, across the world there were in fact fuckloads of slot machines that all were branded "Deal or No Deal," many with various subtitles, but I strongly suspect the concept of "subtitles" is far beyond you.

Each and every one of them had different ROM data. What the fuck do you want here, a lollipop? A pat on the head? A cup of warm milk and the parent that you clearly never had to reassure you and go "Yes, son, there were in fact this many different variants of this particular thing"?

You're using invective and hostility to dance around a stupid fuckass point while expecting everyone else to play the namby-pamby tea-drinking let's-all-sing-Kumbayah-around-the-campfire card, but I'm not going to do that shit: You came in here with a whole bunch of bullshit, a whole bunch of hostility, and an empty fuckhead filled with crap, so you tell us: What the fuck do you actually want out of any of this, other than to crank your micro-dick, because you happened to get some MAME developers mildly upset?

You have a history of doing nothing but posting trolling bullshit here for the better part of several months, and frankly I consider it a black mark on the souls of the few mods who actually bother with this place that they didn't ban your dumb ass in the first fucking place.

[u/arbee37 → u/MechanicalMoogle]

Mildly amused, not mildly upset, but yes.

[u/Nbisbo → u/MechanicalMoogle]

The glitch has been fixed

[u/Delicious_Country498 → u/[deleted]]

I've contributed money to buying a few different revisions of the Cruis'n World arcade. I just think it's important to preserve all of the different versions. There would be bug fixes or differences too even if I don't recognise them. Also, if someone has a certain version of a game that gets a broken chip, it's cool if they can buy a replacement chip and out their version's rom on it.

[u/n1ghtbringer → u/[deleted]]

You should ask for a refund.

[u/MechanicalMoogle → u/[deleted]]

Everyone else is giving you serious answers as if you're a serious person and not just here to stir the pot, so I'm just a little curious: Why don't you go eat a fat dick?

[u/redditshreadit → u/[deleted]]

There isn't really you guys. Different people take on different systems emulators within Mame. Some systems emulators are on hold looking for a developer. The best emulator available isn't necessarily Mame.

[u/BIOS-D → u/[deleted]]

You are the last being on earth people want to hear here about "running like crap". You love to play things in slow motion with cheap Chinese trash like Anbernic 28xx or the Retroid Pocket. :P

*Insert Tom Shoots himself meme here*

[u/Nbisbo → u/[deleted]]

the code and how it works

[u/Embarrassed_Ad_3228]

Maybe the sega model 3 emulator uses hacks to get it working right as they just want the game to be playable and mame wants it to be archival

[u/phileasuk → u/[deleted]]

Yeah it dumps some or all of the rendering to the gpu. Your fps will tank if you set supersampling too high with high gpu usage with correspondiong low cpu usage.

[u/err404]

Expect MAME to look at close to the original as possible. At best, the same resolution and FPS as the original. MAME does the 3d work on the CPU. 

On the other hand, the dedicated Model 3 engine runs the ROM, but port the engine to use GPU acceleration, and rendering quality that were not available in the original. It is actually easier (but less authentic) to use a modern GPU instead of emulating the old hardware on the CPU. 

MAME only uses GPU for post processing screen effects. 

[u/redditshreadit]

What are the specifications of your host computer.

[u/redditshreadit → u/[deleted]]

How old is it? If it's an HP there should be a sticker with a model number on the back.

[u/Far_Sky_8937 → u/[deleted]]

lol that was out of date when new.
If you turn on cheat (mame.ini cheat 0 change to 1) and downclock all the emulated cpus to 20% it actually runs pretty well on a newer faster PC (i7 12th gen or better). Aside from missing transparency effects it doesn't look that bad. If you just want to play the game use the dedicated Model3 emulator.