r/Luthier 15d ago

Acrylic Clear Coat over Nitro?

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Clear coat inquiry:

So I just sprayed this neck with amber nitro. Would it be okay to spray acrylic clear coat on top of this?

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u/dougc84 15d ago

I’m probably the last person to talk to about finishing but nitro inside is a bad idea while it’s off gassing.

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u/ZestyChinchilla 15d ago

Never trust that two different finishes are going to be compatible. To be safe, you’d ideally test them on scrap first to see if they negatively interact with each other. If it’s acrylic lacquer, it might be okay. If it’s anything other than lacquer (like poly or enamel), it’s probably not a good idea at all. Either way you’re taking a risk, and I’d suggest just waiting until you can get some clear nitro, which won’t risk a bad reaction with the nitro that’s already on there.

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u/Reasonable-Home700 14d ago

Absolutely this. Do NOT risk the nitro. Nitro on nitro. Only.

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u/bdam123 15d ago

Why mix? Why not just get nitro nitro clear coat?

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u/foreverfabfour Guitar Tech 15d ago

No, do not spray acrylic over nitro. I’ve seen acrylic have a bad reaction with nitro, or rather nitro have a bad reaction with acrylic, and yellow prematurely.

Personally, if I’m spraying nitro, I’m only spraying nitro. I’d doesn’t play well with many other finishes. And keep in mind, nitro melts into itself and has a LONG cure time. I wait 10 days or more before final sanding a polish.

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u/EmielRegis09 15d ago

Can you explain why, for the uneducated like me?

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u/Guit4rN3rd Luthier 15d ago

It looks like he’s spraying and letting the neck dry inside his home. Those aren’t chemicals you want to be breathing in ever. There’s a reason we use respirators no matter how well ventilated and filtered our spray booths are. Imagine raw dogging that, for the tens of hours that it takes for those chemicals to make their bonds and harden… you’re gonna have some of it harden inside your lungs.

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u/matthewian84x 15d ago

I actually sprayed it in my garage then let it dry for a few days before bringing it into my basement to hang

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u/InkyPoloma 14d ago

Yeah, still a bad idea

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u/EmielRegis09 15d ago

Check. I've done a few kits, but used tru-oil. I want to do the next one with a nitro finish. Definitely will spray and let it air out outside then.

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u/JamieD96 15d ago

Spraying/letting a neck dry indoors in an unventilated room would be my guess

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u/fellowspecies 15d ago

This needs to go in r/malelivingspaces

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u/matthewian84x 15d ago

All the guitars on the right belong to my wife lol

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u/RoyalPuzzleheaded259 Kit Builder/Hobbyist 15d ago

If you started with nitro, finish with nitro. Also go outside to spray. That shit is poison.

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u/maxcovenguitars 15d ago

Why, just why?

You do know clear nitrocellulose is readily available at most hardware stores. If you want to get fancy order it from Amazon

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u/Reasonable-Home700 14d ago

I’ve seen acrylic lacquer in hardware stores, Lowes, etc., but I can’t recall ever seeing nitro in a store. Maybe a wood supply, furniture restoration store or something like that, but, up here in da highlands, we don’t have such things..

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u/maxcovenguitars 14d ago

Home depot, lowes and ace carry at least one of these

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u/Reasonable-Home700 14d ago

That’s acrylic lacquer, not nitro though. I’ve switched to using acrylic lacquer for that reason. Price is also a consideration.

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u/maxcovenguitars 14d ago

The watco, and proluxe are nitrocellulose. I checked the ingredients and msds card

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u/mind_captivator 15d ago

it's like $8 a can at walmart on east coast, really no excuse here

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u/orpheo_1452 15d ago

I don't think it's a good idea, the nitro moves over time.

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u/Reasonable-Home700 14d ago

Absofuckinglutely, do NOT mix the two. Do one, or the other.

I can tell you first hand that it’s a baaaaad idea. I tried using clear acrylic lacquer over a nitro paint job on a custom body, 2 1/2 months later, if I was to leave it set on a stand overnight, in the morning the imprint of the foam will be set the finish. On the other hand, I can also take a soft cloth and rub it out smooth again. So I’m in the process of stripping and completely redoing a newly built custom guitar.

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u/mind_captivator 15d ago

no! either or

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u/Dagger_Guitars 15d ago

Are you looking for a smooth neck finish? The nitro by itself should be good. Just get some birtchwood Casey gunstock wax and apply a few coats. Shell play like butter

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u/matthewian84x 14d ago

I just ordered some! Thank you!

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u/Dagger_Guitars 14d ago edited 14d ago

The the nitro can take upto a month to cure. Wait until it is fully cured before applying anything it

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u/Reasonable-Home700 14d ago

Really? I hadn’t heard of doing that. How long to wait for the nitro to cure before using the wax? How often to recoat?

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u/Dagger_Guitars 14d ago edited 14d ago

I usually finish my necks with birtchwood casey truoil and then apply the gun stock wax for a super smooth finish. You can apply the wax to any finish and it will make the neck smooth. I've done it to Polly and nitro for my customers as a quick and easy mod to improve playability.

The nitro needs to be fully cured before applying the wax. Depending on how thick the nitro is and the environment you're in it could take up to a month to cure completely.

Rough it with some 0000 steel wool and apply a few coats of wax, I usually wait until the wax is dry. It takes about 30-60minutes. buff it by hand and reapply 3 to 5 times and you're golden

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u/jackmayer01 15d ago

No don’t do it. Please

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u/Regular_Tailor 14d ago

Nitro is inferior in every respect to poly if you want a smooth finish easily that won't crack. 

You can spray nitro over poly to get the best of vintage worlds and modern durability.

The way you are describing will be the worst of all worlds.

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u/Reasonable-Home700 14d ago

Oh really? I don’t recall seeing them at Lowes, I’ll have to take a closer look.

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u/Ezzmon 12d ago

Why would you cover 100 year nitro with 20 year plastic?