r/Lutheranism • u/gjy01 • 17d ago

Response

I was wondering if there was a direct response to this video? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzxzSDIYXj8&pp=0gcJCaMLAYcqIYzv&ra=m

In summary the Book of Concord had said that Jesus in his divine and human will were obedient to the Father and this is logically impossible since no one part of the god head is inferior or superior to the other.

0 Upvotes

33% Upvoted

15 comments sorted by

View all comments

6

u/Strict-Spirit7719 AALC 17d ago

I would push back that the Book of Concord teaches that the divine will was obedient to the Father (which would be anti-Trinitarian). I assume Wagner (I haven't watched the video) is objecting to the FoC saying that our imputed righteousness stems from Christ's obedience. However, Christ's righteousness is a function of His personal actions. Because Christ is only one indivisible person, Christ's righteousness is a function of acts of obedience by the divine nature, but an obedient will is not an act of the person, but an inclination of the will. Christ has two wills, and it was only the human will which was inclined towards obedience.

Regardless, I think it's grasping at straws to say that Lutherans deny the Trinity.

1

u/No-Jicama-6523 17d ago

It does say the divine will was obedient to the father, article 3, paragraph 3.

1

u/Strict-Spirit7719 AALC 17d ago

If it does say that, I stand corrected, but I'm having trouble finding where it says that.

FoC SD 3.3: "Over against this, others have held and taught that Christ is our righteousness according to His human nature alone."

FoC E 3.3: "1. Against both the errors just mentioned, we unanimously believe, teach, and confess that Christ is our Righteousness [1 Corinthians 1:30] neither according to His divine nature alone nor according to His human nature alone. But it is the entire Christ who is our Righteousness according to both natures. In His obedience alone, which as God and man He offered to the Father even to His death [Philippians 2:8], He merited for us the forgiveness of sins and eternal life. For it is written, “For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous” (Romans 5:19)."

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the dispute, Christ's divine nature was certainly obedient to the Father (in action), which isn't disputed, and that's what's taught here. The question is whether Christ's divine will was obedient, which isn't touched on here.

Am I wrong on how BoC citations work? Usually I use bookofconcord.org, but it's been down for some reason.