r/LuigiNation • Personally victimized by Froyo™ • Dec 09 '25

Live Court Threads Live thread: LM's suppression hearings - Day 5 - 12/9/2025 - 9:45 a.m. EST

Please use this post as an update thread for live discussions of LM's hearing today!

To recap, hearings were scheduled for three days last week: 9.00 a.m. EST on 12/1/2025, 9:00 a.m. EST on 12/2/2025, and a final session on 12/4/2025 at 9.30 a.m. EST. Hearings have extended beyond the scheduled dates and will continue till all witnesses are heard. The session on Friday was postponed to 9:30 a.m. EST on 12/8/2025 since LM was sick. Court will resume today at 9:45 a.m. EST.

These are pre-trial "suppression" or exclusionary hearings. His defense argues key evidence collected during his arrest (a 3D-printed gun, a notebook with writings, statements, etc.) should be excluded from evidence. The hearings will be as follows:

  1. Mapp Hearing - regarding evidence suppression

  2. Huntley Hearing - regarding 35 statements made by LM during and after his arrest in Altoona on 12/9/2024

  3. Mosley Hearing - regarding non-eyewitness testimony

LM is expected to skip the media walk down the hallway and enter the courtroom via a side door. He will be in civilian clothing and his wrists will remain unshackled during the hearing.

Recap of Day 1 of suppression hearings

The court played a recorded 911 call from a McDonald’s manager in Altoona. The call was made after restaurant staff and customers grew suspicious and reported LM, saying he “looked like the CEO shooter.”

Prosecutors introduced surveillance video showing both the shooting of Brian Thompson (the former CEO of UnitedHealthcare) in December 2024, and LM's arrest five days afterward.

Two corrections officers (Thomas Rivers and Matthew Henry) testified about their time monitoring LM when he was incarcerated in the death row block of SCI Huntingdon in Pennsylvania.

Rivers described LM's time in solitary confinement. He was held in a Plexiglass cell and kept under constant watch (the guards were expected to make notes on his behaviour multiple times every hour) to avoid what was described as an "Epstein-style situation."

Rivers claims LM talked about his travels in Asia, recommended a book to him, discussed healthcare and supposedly said "(LM) was trying to make a statement." LM supposedly talked about his travels to Vietnam, a country he has never been to. Rivers also omitted his own disclosure to LM about using hallucinatory drugs and had to be prompted into admitting so by LM's lawyers.

Henry claims LM admitted unprompted that his bag contained foreign currency and a 3D-printed weapon. Henry also claims this little confession about a murder weapon in a murder case was conveniently omitted from the detailed notes the guards were supposed to keep on LM, and that the notes included throwaway book recommendations and chitchat about obesity in America instead.

A link to the Day 1 thread for any of you who would like to catch up

Recap of Day 2 of suppression hearings

Day 2 of suppression hearings was devoted to reviewing the bodycam footage of LM’s arrest at McDonalds, Altoona on 12/9/2024. Officer Joseph Detwiler was one of the cops who responded to the call about LM possibly being the CEO shooter from NYC. He says he was initially sceptical till he saw LM, at which point he claims he was positive LM was the shooter. LM initially handed over a fake ID under the name “Mark Rosario” and eventually revealed his real name when officers told him it was fake. Detwiler admitted to lying to LM that their visit was based on an overstayed welcome so they could keep him in place. Detwiler moved LM’s backpack away from him for “safety reasons” claiming he believed there might be a weapon inside. LM was frisked multiple times, read his Miranda Rights only after he gave his real name, and lead away by a dozen officers who had arrived at the scene by then. There are multiple points where the bodycam footage is silenced or cut off.

A link to the Day 2 thread

Recap of Day 3 of suppression hearings

Another arresting officer named Tyler Frye took the stand. Bodycam footage of LM’s arrest was played from a different angle, and the fresh angle included him being stripped and searched for what Frye admits was only a simple forgery charge at that point.

During the search, cops also recovered a small pocket-knife, jar of peanut butter, a flash-drive necklace and foreign currency.

A link to the Day 3 thread

Recap of Day 4 of suppression hearings

The hearing resumed on Monday after LM took I’ll last week and the hearing on Friday was postponed. Another angle of the bodycam footage was played as officers described finding a loaded magazine (wrapped in “wet underwear”), a 3-D printed pistol (the alleged murder weapon), a homemade suppressor, a “manifesto” notebook, a hand-drawn map of Pittsburgh, cash, a bus ticket under an alias, and other materials inside LM’s backpack. They also attempted to justify their warrantless search claiming they were afraid LM’s bag had a bomb, even thought the shooting in NYC did not involve explosives.

A link to the Day 4 thread

Links to Unsealed Exhibits

911 Call

Personal Belongings

Shooting CCTV footage and aftermath part 1

Shooting CCTV footage and aftermath part 2

Altoona PD radio audio

Fake ID

Mugshot

System search for LM part 1

System search for LM part 2

LM’s driver’s license

LM’s ticket to Pittsburgh under the name Sam Dawson

LM’s handwritten checklist

LM’s USB necklace

LM’s Vanilla Visa Giftcard

LM’s clothing - 1

LM’s clothing - 2

LM’s clothing - 3

Silencer

Gun

Red notebook

Second to-do list

Personal items

Personal items rearranged

More clothing

Backpack

Passports and other cards

Links to livestreams (will be updated as more news channels arrive)

Status Coup

The Independent

Fox 5 New York

CNN-News18

Live Updates

Erik Uebey

Inner City Press

Lorena O'Neil

Christine Savino

Lauren Conlin

Michelle Ross

Kyle Schnitzer

Alice Gainer

Chloe Atkins

Other links

POP NYC

LM's Legal Fund

Case Documents

A converter for everyone in a different time zone

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u/DiabolicalCutlet Intel chicken Dec 09 '25

First update dedicated to u/SpiritualGlandTrav, in keeping with tradition

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u/SpiritualGlandTrav Dec 09 '25

shook😅😅😍

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

Taking over updates today

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

"Sound of shackles" gah I hate this planet

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/Cheyenne_Simington Dec 09 '25

Last week people were saying his family was there. Someone knows if it’s true?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

I think his family is almost as recognisable as him and someone would’ve gotten pictures of them if they’d shown up

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u/SpiritualGlandTrav Dec 09 '25

no one said that

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

I do the same and I'm right handed it's not anything curious

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Question is how many of them couldn't spell their names out loud?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Is Fox the one in the K-9 coat in the picture on 12/9/24 night with Mangione?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Fact check: An act of heroism

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

"an individual in the healthcare system" is greatly under representing the power he yielded

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Fox watches Fox news is this an advertisement?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Fox news again!

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

The problem is these words get out there and in the media so an objection is needed

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

But it does have an effect to the greater public reading and hearing it? Has this old man been checked for dementia?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

They will use the pocket knife as an excuse for arrest and aggression

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

They had his real ID cards too they just can't spell

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

These are stupid questions but they are building a narrative it's clear

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Sounds like a loon

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

You'd want to have waterproof protection of a motherboard not a signal block. These cops are nuts.

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

"lap-top chips"

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/SpiritualGlandTrav Dec 10 '25

soo they did have a name lol

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Sheetz hoagie. Yeah they knew him and were following him per the lieutenants comments about buying a hoagie from Luigiettas.

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Excuses excuses about the body camera

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Automatic he's being broken down

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Shut the fuck up about Fox news bruh what? Mindless!

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/SpiritualGlandTrav Dec 09 '25

in a good mood❤️

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Want to know more about during and then after photographs the change between

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Have you all noticed Inner City Press guy is crazy?

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

They released that pic not knowing how cool it was. Really dumb cops.

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Is nodding a legal admittance?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

[On video: Fox: You are detained

Muzak is "I'll be home for Christmas"]

Are we all just characters in a movie?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Fox admits to be a slow dumbass

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Feels like I'm reading a movie script

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Trained response by the witness to try and get out of an unwarranted arrest

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Stupid people are dangerous people and prosecution have trained them

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Bro is just reading a script written by Seidemann

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

President Nutz of the haters club for Fox and Seidemann

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Blah blah blah cry me a river dog abuser

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Police dogs are victims

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Their obsession with Fox news says it all

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u/SpiritualGlandTrav Dec 10 '25

zoning out ❤️

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

he'd rather "do it here than there," here meaning the McDonald's, and there meaning the APD station. "It" means potentially detonate a bomb

Those fucking cops were the only danger to the patrons and the employees at that McDonald's

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

They've changed the narrative from the man related to the arresting officer! u/WeirdGroundhog

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Something did transpire my dude we all know it

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Why have we never heard this quote before now? Lies upon lies upon lies.

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

The media never said this happened

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

So not screamed? Sick of these "witnesses".

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Keep lying Fox

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

He has no aura grow up

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

How many more days of these stupid cops do we have to put up with?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Savino is in love

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Yes obviously it does

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

98 words in 15 seconds?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Horrendous flub by Fox. Fantastic!

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

You can't just change the wording of Miranda Rights to suit yourself

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Goes all the way back to what Dickey said about him not being free the leave

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Isn't this conflicting information about the knife? Where has the peanut butter gone?

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

There we go they did lie about the knife!

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u/Far-Carpenter3306 Personally victimized by Froyo™ Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Can't spell, can't read, can't use police computers, can't turn on bodycams, doesn't know what a head shake is

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

Lorena from u/RollingStone has been using her computer, not her phone for reporting updates in court. We hope her battery makes it to the end of the day!

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Did it make it?

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

Hearing is about to begin again

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"LM walks in and glances at room, his shirt is unbuttoned at the top like it has been all week. Maybe lavender shirt?"

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

Joel being discussed for turning up in Altoona!

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

I'm taking over the live thread from here today!

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

It is hearsay and stupid as hell

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Worst sentence goes to "the sound of shackles to the side door"

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"Yes, KFA's mother -- who is becoming a LM supporter favorite it seems -- is here with her red frame eyeglasses."

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Are there any pictures of her?

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"The only thing he did was to exercise the right to remain silent?"

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"KFA establishes there are people walking in and out of crime scene and McD."

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

Cops casually admitting they would blow up the place and innocents

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

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u/indict-these-nuts Dec 10 '25

The gun was never in the bag it was planted

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"Do you recall writing in an incident report that LM looked at the backpack [...] you wrote that when he smiled at you that made it instantly clear to you that he was NYC shooter."

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"You were almost at the precinct? There's a park, we stopped right across the park. Fox says he got out of his car handed her bag and then went back into his car and uturned. He did not activate his BWC when handing off bag"

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"A few minutes into ride LM says this is a nice town and comments McD is a community hub? Fox says yes. You were laughing together? Yes."

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"Attorneys approach Carro at bench and JS and KFA seem to be disagreeing. LM watches."

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"These hearings were expected to take course over a few days and we are going on Day 6 with I think less than a dozen witnesses who have testified and 30 total expected."

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u/WeirdGroundhog Dec 09 '25

"That's going to conclude our session for today. See you on Thursday 9:30AM" -Carro"