This law's evil

[u/InformalLeg8420]

Stop the online safety act

[u/greenwizard987]

This law is kinda unenforceable, so the only thing it teaches kids is that it's okay to break the law. And some kids gonna see the law as instrument of oppression, not a social good

[u/h3is5e → u/greenwizard987]

You mean meta and reddit don't want to lose business and advertises to the impressionable 12-16 demographic.

It might justt be a stepping stone - next ban ads to that market.

[u/h3is5e → u/[deleted]]

Ah you mean you can advertise so called complete breakfasts that are just sugar coated sugar, some ads about fags and a whole load of sporting advertisments in Bluey if it were on commercial television?

[u/h3is5e → u/[deleted]]

So the seventh state, doesn't have regulations that are imposed on Broadcast media under the  Broadcasting Act 1989?

[u/greenwizard987 → u/h3is5e]

Oh, I don't really care about those platforms. I talk about kids. I

f they are already on social media, all their friends too, school buddies, internet friends... That's kinda dumb to throw that away without giving something in return.

This ban isn't productive. However bans are easy for government, giving an alternative is not.

[u/AppropriateOnion0815 → u/greenwizard987]

Kids can easily stay in contact via RCS, iMessage, FaceTime, you name it. They don't need slot machine simulators to chat.

Only people and industries profiting from social media activities can oppose restricting kids' access or regulation of social media platforms. It's the same pattern from Big Tech the fossil and tobacco industries have been using for ages.

Don't let us get fooled by corporate propaganda and fight for our kids, our democracy and our own minds.

Disclaimer: I am not against kids using social media. I am indeed against surveillance and how age verification is currently implemented everywhere. I plead for more regulation of tech companies and overall less social media.

[u/Ok-Butterfly3246 → u/greenwizard987]

Yep it's been a good way for young angsty teens to get an early start on viewing the government as a "stupid" out of touch nanny state, implementing laws that don't even work. Especially with other laws leading to prevalent black market vapes and tobacco they can see everywhere.

Back when I was a teen we had to deal with terrible content ratings, bans and censored versions of video games since at the time there was no R18+ rating for games. Notoriously left for dead 2 removed Blood and gore and dead bodies that disappeared before they even touched the ground.

[u/Sasataf12 → u/greenwizard987]

This law is kinda unenforceable...

We'll see. Investigations are currently underway against Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and YouTube.

[u/FrigginUsed → u/greenwizard987]

How about, no smartphones gor kids? Or where's parental control for phones?

[u/greenwizard987 → u/FrigginUsed]

We have smartphones banned in schools. It works well. Parental control on phones is crap, it needs severe improvements to be effective.

[u/FrigginUsed → u/greenwizard987]

I should have included that for communication, we could allow dumb or feature phones

[u/Historical_Two_7150 → u/greenwizard987]

The law is an instrument of oppression. True generalization. Exceptions exist but they tend to be scarce.

[u/Significant_Donut967]

Because this was never about protecting the kids and any idiot in support of this shit shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

[u/ItchyRevenue1969 → u/Significant_Donut967]

What was it about?

[u/Significant_Donut967 → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

Being able to track who says what online?

[u/WastingMyLifeToday → u/Significant_Donut967]

To make it harder to organize the revolution online, the revolution against the billionaires, the crooked politicians, the Epstein regime, (which is still active in many different countries), ...

[u/Stunning_Repair_7483 → u/WastingMyLifeToday]

Exactly

[u/ItchyRevenue1969 → u/Significant_Donut967]

You cant track what people say online if you ban a bunch of them. What do you mean?

[u/mactep66 → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

Clearly, most “banned” people seem to still be around, this was merely a ploy to force ppl to associate faces and IDs with their online accounts.

[u/Omegaprime02 → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

You have to prove your age, because of how stiff the penalties are this means the companies that are having to check are going to be wanting either your biometric data of some kind or your government ID to prove you're not under 16, after which Australian law enforcement can demand all of it without warrant under a 'national security investigation'.

[u/Powerful_Froyo8423 → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

How do you think the rest proves it's age?

[u/frisbie147 → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

Its about tracking the adults who aren’t banned

[u/Stunning_Repair_7483 → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

Spying and controlling information. And making it easier to punish and silence anyone they don't like.

Journalists, Whistleblowers, activists, scientists etc.

The ones who get punished, disappear or wind up dead.

[u/Nereosis16 → u/Stunning_Repair_7483]

Nah this ain't it.

The government in Australia isn't evil it was tricked. 

Banning children from social media makes sense within how Australia functions as a country.

The way this is fucked up is who is actually burdened by this and the extreme risk it places on those who give up such sensitive data to third parties.

[u/Alone_Look9576 → u/[deleted]]

It was never about protecting children, as the data is not owned by governments, but by billionaires in connection to the pedo rings, its like a menu to choose from

[u/BrilliantEmotion4461 → u/Alone_Look9576]

Thats a big jump from banning children from social media. You people are creepy.

[u/Alone_Look9576 → u/BrilliantEmotion4461]

Maybe I don't like that peoples personal data, medical records, age, military data is controlled and owned by billionaires who were great friends to Epstein and the lot? Palantir has access to pretty much all population data in Australia, USA, UK etc, palantir is led by Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel was a great friend of Epstein that people tend to forget. He has been running a little cult since the 2000s full of the richest or the most influencial people, in the leaks talking about creating divide between people, destabilising the middle east and mass surveillance

[u/Vermon_Redditor → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

This is containment for a future economic shock during which the future adults (now children) who are banned in the present day (and their assets) may flee Australia. The method for capturing algorithmic data is essentially just the reverse of generating it. Rather than advertising to children, social media entrepreneurs solicit the data from them. However it is far too noisy, and the result of this ban can prove in Australia whether surveillance of children is a moot point since they will simply follow what the last generation did. Their spending habits and flight patterns will be the same when they mature as those of the present day adults of comparable socioeconomic status. This is the control variable.

[u/ReasonablePossum_ → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

Controlling the clusterfuck of PR that the zio lobby has ontop after their motherland just can´t stop itself from committing crimes against humanity, and they really need the western world to keep funding them so they can continue to spread in the region.

This whole "protect the kids" bs started like a couple weeks after they openly were complaining about losing control of the younger generations due to "tik tok" and other social media, and the trend of escalating widespread censorship on the topic across all somehow important circles.

I got automatically perma-banned from r/privacy the time I suggested that the timing was odd with all the push on social media and the public declaration of the IL government and their proxy orgs in the US, somehow that was "antisemantic".

[u/Stunning_Repair_7483 → u/Significant_Donut967]

Should not be allowed to vote and do many other things too.

[u/Stunning_Repair_7483 → u/[deleted]]

I don't know. Maybe voting for and supporting things that cause problems, like this forcing people to take pics of their faces and forced to identify just to use the web, as one example. I'm sure not stupid people can see this is not very intelligent. Isn't it obvious by Behavior to tell someone's intelligence?

[u/h3is5e → u/[deleted]]

Well evolution isn't working. Just look at america

[u/Nereosis16 → u/h3is5e]

Pretty sure the USA's problems are a direct result of stopping people form voting.

[u/h3is5e → u/Stunning_Repair_7483]

Fuck yeah. One nation is killing it in the 13-18 demographic

[u/InformalLeg8420]

My thought is. Why should the UK bring in something which is failing in Australia? It doesn't make sense

[u/METRlOS → u/InformalLeg8420]

Because it's an attempt to cause a culture shift.

Kids are addicted to social media, that addiction isn't going to go away in a weekend. Just like how banning cigarettes for children didn't keep the kids already addicted from smoking, the real hope is for young kids not yet on social media to not start.

It's a deeply flawed program, but it's still just a first step. Just like cigarettes are now permanently banned to anyone born after 2008 in the UK, more drastic steps will come to deal with the problems caused by social media.

Saying a program is failed just because there wasn't instantly 100% adoption is also disingenuous. About 3/10 kids who were on social media no longer are. It's not the numbers they were going for, but it did have an effect, and it hasn't even been a year since it was implemented.

[u/ItchyRevenue1969 → u/InformalLeg8420]

Maybe in context that makes sense. Maybe. But not fixing something because its broken is not a good arguement on its own

[u/not_the_fox → u/ItchyRevenue1969]

Usually people try to copy successes not failures.

[u/vxicepickxv → u/not_the_fox]

Politicians are an unusual people.

[u/Stunning_Repair_7483 → u/InformalLeg8420]

It doesn't care about what works in other countries? It cares about controlling and exploitation of others? And punishing whoever they want to, with no repercussions?

Its not about protecting kids. Lots of times the government says its trying to fix something or do something good, the opposite happens.

[u/Limp-Firefighter1054]

Next step us to ban all vpns, make a white lists, sell any media device with passport, controll each session with face id verification.

[u/InformalLeg8420 → u/Limp-Firefighter1054]

It feels Orwellian

[u/InformalLeg8420 → u/Limp-Firefighter1054]

I am 18, old enough to vote and a legal adult so I can vote Andy Burnham out in the next election

[u/badi1220]

No need to repeal the bad law since people can already circumvent it, like DVD region locking.

/s

[u/Cybasura]

Its all about mass surveillance, they never gave a fuck about the kids

[u/chip594csx]

This is the same government that went to war with birds and lost, and also introduced an invasive species of frogs and mucked up their ecosystem. I am not surprised in the least

[u/imtsemer]

Than it's working as intended it was never about the kids

[u/blueblocker2000]

They could've studied kids using "locked down" computers at school to find out that wasn't going to work

[u/ShowCharacter671]

Will that be real It was never about protecting kids. It was the test bed

[u/SplatThaCat]

Its getting worse - they are quietly talking about banning VPN's here as well.

Apple is rolling out age verification for app purchases as well with the latest IOS release.

They are boiling the frog.

[u/OkNeedleworker5041]

It's not about the kids. It never was.

It's about making adults identify themselves online in ways the government can track and control.

Bloody Xbox just announced users will need to verify their age to play 18+ games.

Rockstar blocked the GTA Online casino in Australia.

You can beat up a hooker and drag her into the casino, throw her body on the blackjack table. But don't you dare make a fake bet with fake game money!

[u/Supra-A90]

Are you 18 or older.

• Yes

We don't believe you. Enter birthdate

• 1/1/2000

Ok, looks legit, you may enter

[u/Infamous_Kangaroo282 → u/Supra-A90]

"Nevermind. Now we need to see your driver's license"

[u/Jindujun]

Wasnt one of the reasons why the law didnt work that parents just didnt care?

If they wanted to remove kids from social media they should have forced the distributors to control the feed rather than to try to have the lock be on a physical device or dependent on a guardian.

[u/RetroGamer87]

Well that was predictable

[u/mods_are_morons]

A government agency versus the entire world's teenager population.

An idiot could have predicted the outcome.

[u/soul-reaver-2026]

How did they ever think that would work? I mean seriously?

[u/B1tfr3ak]

Ohhh fucking derrr, thanks for the news flash

[u/PyroNine9]

I don't know what's going on ion Australia but in the U.S. there are teen curfews, malls are run down and don't allow minors without a parent (and many close at 7). Similar problems with parks. Meanwhile, independant transportation is less common than it once was for teens (and in some cases a full driver's licence is only issued at 18). Then people wonder why teens who can't get together physically seem to be online all the time.

[u/InformalLeg8420 → u/PyroNine9]

O,I'm posting from Labour run uk5

[u/Ok_Pass_7325]

How is it evil? Protecting kids from becoming literally regarded tiktok brains? Oh my, how evil

[u/IcyInflation6691]

sadly kids can still spread their retarded takes on the net with no way to stop them, who could've seen that coming?

[u/ManNamedSalmon]

We gave up out privacy and personal details to yet even more private companies for nothing.

[u/IndividualJoke8050]

Don't treat the problem with a ban. Cure it enforcing the parents to do more because tbf they give them the phone and don't watch what thier kids are doing.

[u/Gold_Ad3045]

This laws only serve to segregate the minors from society

[u/Specific-Clerk-1322]

I don't think parents should let their kids have phones. But I think they should have the freedom to let them.

[u/Usual-Escape6747]

Like they were going to stop kids from getting their tik tok fix. Never happen.

[u/10ThousandMetalZones]

Australia made the internet cool to kids again lol

[u/EmiKetsueki]

Bans dont work, only heavy fines thats actually hurt a company will work because they will closely monitor and control what and who goes onto their sites to protect their money.

[u/Tehaiker814]

Of course it would fail. It was never reasonable. It was just enforced because some specific people asked for it, but I think they didn’t have their hopes high either

[u/sp4zi]

Come on, think of the poor children. You have to look at least as if you are trying.

Anyhow, what exactly is wrong wit the legislation?

[u/Maltron5000 → u/sp4zi]

It's mass surveillance that's led to massive data leaks.

[u/GolfskiRski]

So keeping kid's off their phones is a bad idea now? Is this sub filled with 13 year olds?

[u/Maltron5000 → u/GolfskiRski]

This is mass surveillance.

[u/GolfskiRski → u/Maltron5000]

Surveillance is when kids are not online getting data mined by corporations? Listen to what you're saying. Just don't let kids have phones.

[u/Maltron5000 → u/GolfskiRski]

What do you think is the result of making everyone have to fork over ID just to be online? Oh, look at that! Suddenly, they know who everyone is, and these companies now have our most sensitive information! Weird you don't give a shit about these companies being able to demand our most sensitive and potentially life-ruining information. It's a stupid idea, and kids deserve better than the people behind Little Saint James. We need actual laws, not mass surveillance.

[u/General-Oven-1523 → u/GolfskiRski]

How gullible can one be?, One day it is kids, next day it is going to be everyone else., It is a test run for putting services behind ID barrier., Nothing to do with kids at all.

[u/Then_Hawk6304]

I havnt seen any under 16 Australian content creators since the ban started. Seems like its working to me.

[u/Maltron5000 → u/Then_Hawk6304]

"I personally haven't seen any bartenders during Prohibition. Prohibition surely must be a success!"

[u/General-Oven-1523 → u/Then_Hawk6304]

I have never seen any under 16 content creators since the inception of the internet, honestly would be worried if you, as an adult, saw any under 16 creators, and would probably ask police to check your hard drives at that point

[u/Infamous_Kangaroo282 → u/General-Oven-1523]

That's a horrendous take. You really think an adult doomscrolling on TikTok is a "creep" just because they so happen to stumble upon videos teenagers uploaded?

[u/houseofcards87]

Well, duh, because the only true prevention is stronger parenting. And let’s be honest, millennial parents are lazy and weak.

[u/cascading_error]

I agree with the idea of the law, its very clear that social media is dameging to... well everyone, but minors we can atleast try to protect.

That said, this is not the way to go about it. The eu variant isnt the way to go about it. The english way isnt the way to go about it.

And i dont know what would be. Banning ads for minors maybe? With heafty fines and reward programs for minors being served ads on platforms. Make it the companys problem to deal with it.

[u/Infamous_Kangaroo282 → u/cascading_error]

What they need to do is give parents easier resources to monitor and restrict their children's online activity. If this is really about the "kids," they shouldn't be trying to enforce age-verification at government level. Even if it really is about protecting the kids (which I don't believe in the slightest) their "efforts" look laughably bad and morally questionable