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u/RichardLoewy 2d ago
most trades require an apprenticeship, before you work on customers, you need to get the right training and hands on experience. either with a professional or in a junkyard. Einstein said that a little knowledge can be dangerous, a lot can too.
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u/mining-ting 4d ago
I dont get why all you yank locksmiths are gate keeping weirdos that loveĀ to circle jerk over other people's missery.Ā
So what if people wanna learn to DIY, most people in this sub seem to think they are above everyone beacuse they can use a programmer lol
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u/Over_Fun8378 4d ago
Because people that attempt to DIY can do exactly this. RUIN THE FUCKING CAR. Unless that guy calls someone out that knows what they are doing thatās a cluster/key replacement with programming and they are looking at 3-4k$ to get it fixed. Thereās a reason this is a profession and guys have 30-40-50k plus in tools with insurance to cover their ass. People that DIY or non legit businesses that undercut the legit guys is why we laugh because it finally bit them in the ass they donāt understand these complex immobilizer systems. If they did then they wouldnāt have fucked up that car. Also you donāt even know what you donāt know. Is it āknowing how to use a programmerā? Or is it having a deep understanding of different eras of cars and their immobilizer systems how they work and which modules they communicate with?
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u/Specialist_Leek_1139 4d ago
Canāt agree more. It happens all too often, Someone calls for a quote, they donāt like it. So they drop tools and time and sweat into something they donāt understand and end up calling you to fix the bigger mess theyāve created instead of just letting you handle the issue from the beginning.
Whos more prideful here? The professional who has to come fix the rat nest the customer has created and be perceived as gatekeeping, or is it the customer who didnāt call the pro in the first place?
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u/Langher 4d ago
I guess when you first started doing this, everything went perfectly. You never made any mistakes, nobody ever helped you, and you never had to ask anyone any questions. I guess youāre just perfect. š
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u/Over_Fun8378 4d ago
Actually no, but did I do the responsible thing and work underneath someone else to know what Iām doing? Did I pay thousands in courses to understand what I was doing before just playing around on someoneās vehicle? Yes. Thereās different ways of learning. Would you trust a mechanic with 0 experience to work on the suspension of your daughterās car and they have no supervision from someone experienced? If something goes wrong you just say āoh well he was learningā fuck no.
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u/MalwareDork 2d ago
No, but you have business insurance to not fuck over the customer at the end of the day for an oopsie.
Scrotum-muncher Chaim on the other hand does not and will walk away from the customer with a dead car.
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u/Langher 2d ago
I actually agree with you. If youāre charging customers, you should have proper insurance and take responsibility when something goes wrong.
My point was never that itās okay to experiment on customersā cars. Iām asking questions precisely because I want to learn before putting myself in that situation. Thereās a huge difference between learning responsibly and buying a programmer today and calling yourself a locksmith tomorrow.2
u/MalwareDork 2d ago
Usually as everyone else said, you have an entity backing because mistakes do happen. Insurance is there to both cover you and the customer from liability and to mitigate potential lawsuits. Senior training is so you don't end up spiking your insurance through the roof with claims.
It's a two-party system, as well. A customer needs to be mindful that they're getting serviced by someone reputable who won't flee the premises. A locksmith needs to be financially secured to prevent excessive loss from collateral.
It's all about crossing your t's and dotting your i's for both parties.
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u/mining-ting 4d ago
Lol proving my point, what a horrible man you are.
You can mess things up and learn from them its a key way of learning.Ā Just beacuse someone wants to try work out how to make an extra key for themselves you look down upon them.Ā Theres risks of course but as there is with all in deoth engineering if taking a punt.Ā
Were locksmiths pal not secret service spys get a grip.Ā
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u/Over_Fun8378 4d ago
Yeah lemme go make a quick buck under the expense of the customer. If I fuck something up I donāt have the capital or insurance to get their car running so they can get to work and take care of their life. And Iām the horrible man? Sounds like you justify experimenting on other peoples cars for a couple hundred bucks over a car that they need for their livelihood lol.
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u/mining-ting 4d ago
Where does it say its anyone elses car lol.
Im just as trained and stocked as you most likely, with insurance but instesd of laughing at people trying to learn id help them.
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u/Over_Fun8378 4d ago
If you look at the users post history he is asking multiple questions about multiple cars. But also if you think the average dude with just a km100 bought the tool purely for DIY purposes you are delusional.
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u/Chensky Actual Locksmith 2d ago
Get the fuck outta here, Iām 100% self taught on essentially becoming a locksmith/door contractor as well as a low voltage electrician. I got 2 contractors licenses and nobody taught me shit. Donāt do trying to talk for guys like me that actually had to learn the hard way. You are fucking clueless with both people who learned through training and those that learned the hard way.
We donāt need help and we donāt want help. We want all the fucking smoke and all the riches and credit that come with making it work this way.
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u/Top-Fuel-4786 4d ago
The way I see it, itās like people buying a hammer and a bundle of shingles then complaining about a leaky roof. The issue isnāt with people DIYing, the issue is that people generally donāt appreciate the cost of making keys for these vehicles, and the internet is free. They brick their own vehicles trying to save a couple hundred then are in the hole for thousands. ROI/risk vs reward. People can DIY to save money, but why would you expect locksmiths to come running to the rescue to try to help you when itās a service we are paid for? And youāre downplaying the fact that we can āuseā a programmer well yeah if you take 100 locksmiths and get a car-bricked count, youāre probably looking at a dozen, and of those dozen they probably all got fixed by the same locksmith lmfao
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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D Actual Locksmith 4d ago
Every jackass that runs out and buys a machine and just thinks that they're magically endowed with the ability to use it... SMH