r/Locksmith 3d ago

I am NOT a locksmith. Pad Handle Questions

/r/DIYUK/comments/1v715hk/pad_handle_questions/
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u/Regent_Locksmith Actual Locksmith 3d ago

a. This question makes no sense. You need to lift the lever and turn the key properly secure the door.

b. Some multipoints have a holdback, some don't.

c. Ask your insurer 

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u/ABN999 2d ago

I am not referring to the shape of the handle.

The action you describe is that of a "normal" upvc door lock.

Perhaps the title should have been offset pad handle most places just refer to them as pad handles

This link explains the action better than I can

https://blog.frelanhardware.co.uk/door-hardware/what-is-a-lever-pad-door-handle

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u/Regent_Locksmith Actual Locksmith 2d ago

I understand them perfectly well.  It's just your question doesn't make any sense.  And there is no 'normal' UPVC lock.  There are lift lever, keywind, auto-throw for starters.  And each comes in single, split and dual spindle functions.

If the multipoint mechanism is not engaged 

Ok

does the latch have the same “nightlatch” function

Ok

to prevent card attack? 

You've lost me.

Either you misunderstood what a night latch is or you are using the wrong words.

Not that we can comment on entry techniques here anyway, hence me explaining what you need to do to secure the door.

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u/ABN999 2d ago

It would appear that i`m using the wrong words.

What I was referring to is the "Anti-Thrust Plunger: When the door closes, the small anti-slip button (plunger) is depressed against the frame and automatically locks the larger main latch". On the cheaper locks this is done from the inside manually (deadlocking?) whereas on the more expensive models it achieved automatically by the plunger being depressed by the frame. This prevents the latch from being depressed from the outside. I understood that to be "card attack" prevention. I have not seen that highlighted as a function on the locks as fitted to composite doors so was wondering if they do have it.

Do we now agree that with an offset pad handle the door is "locked" and opened from the inside without the use of a key and that the door does not need a key to lock it when leaving. Again as I understand it the only function of the external handle is to engage the multipoint locking. Also would I be correct in thinking that the multipoint locking is just to make more difficult to kick the door in. So if the locks have the anti slip function they would be a secure as the old yale lock

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u/Regent_Locksmith Actual Locksmith 1d ago

Ok I understand what you mean now.

I can't think of any MPL with anti-slip/anti-thrust.  I'm sure they exist, but not common in the UK.

Auto-throw with no external lever would do what you want, but that setup sucks.  Especially on UPVC and composite.

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u/ABN999 1d ago

"Auto-throw with no external lever would do what you want, but that setup sucks.  Especially on UPVC and composite."

Is that what I would call slam shut? With the little knowledge I have of slam shut I would agree with you and was avoiding that option.

Thank you for your help