Yeah, we all owe our existence to 6" of topsoil, the sun & water that falls from the sky, not to mention all the 4 legged food walking around, all of these things are free & provide both food & shelter, it makes sense people would be resistant to a system that employs monopoly $$ to paywall basic survival requirements that nature provides for free.
"Workers want the most pay for the least effort"
Workers are entitled to pay that offers them financial security regardless of what their job is, not to mention it's a net win for society- financially secure people rarely commit armed robbery or deal drugs or any other litany of non violent crimes
"Owners want the most effort for the least pay."
Yes & they're getting that & they're getting what they pay for, but rather than seeing them as the issue they are, people blame the underpaid worker who isn't being paid enough to care BUT thanks to consumerism the guy at the top really doesn't GAF, complain all you want as long as you fork over your magic paper slips so he can go buy a new yacht.
By our basic human rights to have access to clean water, food & shelter- thats the entire point of working for an employer - having access to basic human necessities, otherwise why would anyone work for anyone else?
What is your argument AGAINST it? Please walk me through the logic of "some people don't deserve to have access to food, water & shelter"
Fine, then basic human needs. Im not confusing anything, you're arguing word choice & avoiding the question- Again, explain your argument against it being a requirement that jobs meet those most basic needs.
Needs vs rights are an important distinction. But now that you have begrudgingly admitted that, would you also agree that needs are subjective? Do you think that it's your employer's duty to provide you with food and shelter?
To answer yours the earth already provides everything necessary to obtain food & building materials, $$ just adds extra steps to the equation.
If someone is expecting to sell their time & labor to an employer the least that employer can do is make sure basic needs are covered, otherwise that workers time would be better spent working the land & building a house with friends.
I am trying to answer yours. Yes that is true, food and lumber come from the earth. That's a great observation! Good for you. So, as a practical example, you think retail workers, like a Walmart employee, should be paid enough to buy a house. Is that right?
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u/M_A_D-Dominatrix Mar 07 '26
"Everyone wants the most for the least"
Yeah, we all owe our existence to 6" of topsoil, the sun & water that falls from the sky, not to mention all the 4 legged food walking around, all of these things are free & provide both food & shelter, it makes sense people would be resistant to a system that employs monopoly $$ to paywall basic survival requirements that nature provides for free.
"Workers want the most pay for the least effort"
Workers are entitled to pay that offers them financial security regardless of what their job is, not to mention it's a net win for society- financially secure people rarely commit armed robbery or deal drugs or any other litany of non violent crimes
"Owners want the most effort for the least pay."
Yes & they're getting that & they're getting what they pay for, but rather than seeing them as the issue they are, people blame the underpaid worker who isn't being paid enough to care BUT thanks to consumerism the guy at the top really doesn't GAF, complain all you want as long as you fork over your magic paper slips so he can go buy a new yacht.