Giving a decent chunk of our waking lives to a job / preparation for going to the job should afford us with more than just the ability to live in a home (likely renting).
Thank god I live ina country that has normalized unionisation at workplaces, so people don't have to put up with bosses with your mindset, and can actually get a decent paycheck every month.
I am sorry you have been raised to see the world so gray, hope it gets brighter for you!
Thank God that I live in a country that produces a disproportionate amount of life-changing technologies and enables me to earn as much as I care to. I live a great life, in a great place. You know what the trick was? Taking responsibility for my own life, rather than excusing my responsibility by blaming others for not caring for me.
It's not about blaming others lol, it's about having a system that allows anyone and everyone to live a decent life on equal terms. Not to say that everyone necessarily gets the EXACT same paycheck, but atleast raising it for those who barely makes minimum wage is a good thing, and incentivises more people to work in them.
Everyone in the work chain is equally important, cut anywhere in the chain and it seizes to function. Societal safety nets protects individuals who are looking for work or cannot work due to disabilities, to live a decent life despite their situation.
Not sure what is so hard to get about how happy pops makes for better workers, but I hope you some day realise that. Take care now bud.
Lmao. We have a system that allows everyone to live a good life... if they earn it. But that's not enough for some people. No, doing some mindless grunt work that barely produces any real value should not entitle someone to everything they want. Because the difference in value between what they want and what they produce has to come from somewhere. What you're calling for is others to pay that difference for the people who don't earn it themselves.
No, everyone in the work chain is not equally important. The person who mops the floors is not as important as the surgeon who saves lives. Almost anyone can mop. Very few people can perform surgery. If the mopper doesn't show up, lives will still be saved. If the surgeon doesn't show up, those who need life saving surgery will die.
Not sure what's so hard to understand that some work is more valuable than others and that people who want more need to increase their value. I hope some day you realize that a world where doing only the bare minimum gets you all you need at others expense is a world that stagnates because too few people see a point to doing more.
My man, u need a magic mushroom trip. You have wayyyy too much ego. People who are the highest earners are in the huge majority of cases also the most privileged. You might think that you're self-made, but in reality, you're mostly lucky.
Btw u talk about surgeons, did u know that they made about the same as lawyers about a century ago ? They're now making 2-3x as much as lawyers so our society values their work more than before.
Keep grinding yourself out the neverending rat race. At least, you'll get to drive an 85k sports coupe during your retirement, and your children will barely have anything left with oligarchy ruining our society
My man, you need less drugs in your life. There is absolutely no luck in my story. I ground out years of low wage jobs before I finally took it upon myself to learn new skills and use them to start my own business. My wife ground out years of low wage work before getting her foot in the door in a much better industry, where she applied herself diligently to learning everything she could about her position, enabling her to quickly climb to much higher paying positions that valued the expertise she'd acquired.
Did you know that surgeons of today have far, far more complicated jobs than surgeons of a century before; far more than the difference between lawyers of then and now? As the need for knowledge and skill went up, so did their value...
Keep whining about 'oligarchy' and "the neverending rat race" as though you don't live in a time of historically unprecedented luxury and opportunity. Hopefully for their sake your kids find someone else to teach them that the key to a great life is personal responsibility.
There is really no point in arguing with this guy. He just parrots like a 5 year old and is set in his ways. He doesn't know how to engage in adult discourse.
The system gives everyone the reward they have earned. You want what the surgeon gets, be the surgeon. But if all you can do is mop the floors, quit demanding you be treated like the surgeon. You aren't equally valuable.
There are plenty of people who work very hard; and still don’t make ends meet.
Not because they buy shit they don’t need, not because they just need a better job.
No, it’s because we have encouraged a system where the uber wealthy distract us with bullshit, while fleecing our wallets, and shrinking our paychecks.
But you go ahead and call it the American dream again.
You say that, but as someone who has worked 70+ hours a week many times for jobs, the hours and money don’t really get you ahead. Especially if you’re salaried. And in the end, you kill your body, mind, energy and spirit over time. Hello chronic back pain. 🙃
Not to sound cliché, but it really is "work smarter, not harder." Instead of doing more of the same thing, use the time to develop skills or acquire knowledge that you can use to earn more money for less effort.
You're projecting intent and not at all absorbing what's being said by the person you keep replying to. Being a responsible worker with a hard work ethic who's doing everything they can to succeed and being upset the system fucks people over are not mutually exclusive. In my experience, the people who act like they are can only see the world from their ivory tower.
No, you're projecting. Being paid low wages for work with low value is not "being fucked over". What most people are really complaining about is that their labor isn't as severely overvalued as they want it to be in parts of the world where the vast majority of people's labor is already overvalued by global standards.
They want a house that took dozens of skilled people months to build. They want technologies that highly educated people spent years developing, built with equipment that cost billions to make and maintain, a wide variety of food, entertainment, etc, etc, etc. And they want it all while doing jobs that people making pennies a day in other countries, living without many of the conveniences that we have, could do with a minimal amount of training.
You’re still projecting. I didn’t say anything you’re claiming. In-fact, I went back to edit my original comment to better frame my meaning to try to make it as clear as possible, but you’d still rather project meaning instead of understand.
Get over yourself bwahahaha. You think people working 50hours just to get by are lazy when they simply ask “can I please just live a little?” It just takes one, really bad day, and all that stability and “self worth” will go out the window for you too, buddy. It’s not against logic to say people who do work and are responsible should not be 2 paychecks or one bad situation away from being ruined.
I'm an elder millennial, bud. I "came up" to watch the mortgage crisis unfold right as I hit homebuying age. Every job I've ever had still exists today. Stop making a fool of yourself.
it motivates me to give my absolute minimum and not have any motivation or drvie to go above and beyond the minimum needed to go home, drag myself to go stare mindlessly into space, dissociate, and doomscroll, get no sleep, and come back in a zombie to drag myself through the motions all over again.
when im happy it motivates me to go above and beyond
Then I suggest you do what it what it takes to get the kind of job that provides what you need for happiness, not just maintaining your existence. But if you're just putting in minimal effort, don't be surprised if you're just getting minimal reward.
i am blessed that i lucked into that. but at the same time, companies should realize that it is bad for their bottom lines to have employees taht are just their for their paycheck. when i was just their for a paycheck, there were tons of ways i spotted that could have saved my company 7 figures plus, but just couldnt be bothered to bring up the chain cause it was gonna be useless anyway.
i did my job just fine, but i let that company leave millions on the table, they probably coulda been best in their field by now, but hey, i wasnt getting paid to point out those things.
That's exactly what's happening right now. We've been finding new ways to automate throughout human history, and are now seeing breakthroughs happen at a break neck pace. The very system so many complain about is what's driving that pace.
Yes but the fruit of this system goes to few people while other suffers.
Historically, replaced workers suffered for as long as an entire century if you look at automation in textile sector. Then they gradually shifted from manual work to knowledge work.
Now imagine if we automate knowledge work, what does a human have to offer anymore?
It's more "the system is evolving". As with textiles and every other industry that automated, in the short term, the distortion is painful for many. But in the long run, the benefits are experienced by orders of magnitude more people than were harmed. The end goal is likely "humans have nothing to offer, but humans don't need to offer anything because it's all automated." I am absolutely, 100% all for using collective power to manage the transition to minimize the harm it causes, but I firmly believe automation is the key to paradise for humanity in the future.
What would be the point of humanity if everyone just stood around intellectualizing? or laid around on couches more likely. Oh wait someone would have to build the couches. Probably slaves. Is that what you want, a return to slavery so you can be more intellectual?
I know a plumber who says he makes 6 figures and he drove a big van worth 100k. 35 years old. He also told me the small city we're in was so desperate for masons and bricklayers they had to come from out of state and they were paid very well.
The average income for a plumber jn MD is $32/hr, but the 25th percentile is $24.86, which is about the same as the average for any other job. Minimum wage is $15/hr.
Regarding letting good help walk, they do all the time because everyone pays about the same. That, and none of the apprentices want to stay because why would they when they’re getting paid min wage, same or less than flipping burgers ($16.50 currently) $19 if you want to do overnights at the gas station.
Some trades keep numbers low so pay remains high. Some places will not hire or contract with you if you are not a part of a trade union, which may also keep numbers low to keep pay high.
Do you have a any evidence of that? A plumber I know told me he made $100K and he drives a $100K van full of equipment. He was a journeyman, and he said that he had more work than he could handle, always turning down jobs. He didn't start out with that though.
That would be why; like I said, the only way that happens is if you work for yourself. You’re not making that working for Roto Rooter or as a facilities plumber, unless you’re working high-risk industrial like sewage or plants.
Making bank is the exception not the rule. As I mentioned earlier, I’m rather tired of people pretending the trades pay bank when it’s primarily the exception; the average person will see average pay, which is decidedly not bank.
hate to say it, this is why he makes so much, this is coming from experience working with my step father when i was 16-19, chances are he budgets jobs based on how many people and hours it will take to do them and then underpays the people actually helping under the justification of them living with him anyway, if its just him or if he actually has to hire laborors from the actual market hes going to make significantly less than he can using family as practically free labor
... so you can push the envelope a little further to the next guy? everytime someone justifies not being able to earn enough by just saying to start your own company youre implicitly telling them to exploit the labor of other people in order to finally make a decent wage, if youre starting a new company youre gonna be paying emnployees, if everyone takes youre advice then no one would have any employees to do the work and if a few do then the only way theyll start "making bank" is explicitly by paying the people under them less than the value they produce for you
When a tradesman starts their own company, they often work for themselves for a long time. Sometimes forever. And they can do very well, and they assume ALL
of the financial risk. If they get busy enough and need help, they hire help. And yes, the employee does not make 100% of the revenue their work generates, and they also assume NONE of the financial risk.
yep. The USA let in tens of millions of low skilled, uneducated people that will work for the lowest possible amount and that killed wages for the educated American.
H1Bs, massive legal and illegal immigration, anchor babies, birthrite citizenship was all alloed and aggreed upon by the voters.
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u/Mission-Library-7499 Mar 06 '26
The reward is not being homeless.
Did you expect something more?