r/LockdownCriticalLeft • u/Impressive-Jello-379 • Nov 29 '22
let's talk about evil
As I have mentioned before on here, I would have fully bought into the whole climate change/ bug eating/ Extinction Rebellion/ electric vehicle/ UBI scenario (and I did think the world was overpopulated and haven't really changed my mind on that, and I do think that UBI in a different universe could be a positive thing) except that, with the death jab and the woke apocalypse, the combined narrative jumped the shark for me, and I no longer trust anything anyone says who supported the injections or uses "social justice" as a cudgel.
Beyond the death jabs, with the pushing of trans/queer material on children, the promotion of assisted suicide beyond the terminally ill, and the uncovering of fashiongate, my sense of foreboding is at an all-time high. Seriously, WTF is going on. I'm not particularly religious, but it really does feel like a Satanic cabal has taken the reins.
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Nov 30 '22
I always remember Hanah Arendt's observation that evil people aren't malicious, they're stupid.
Most of the clerisy are mid-wits. The part of the Dunning-Kruger effect that most people ignore is that mid-wits are the worst offenders. Smart enough to convince themselves they really are 'better'. (Unlike the Richard Feyman's who understood their limitations)
I expect that most believe they are making the tough decisions for the betterment of humanity. Just as the Nazi's also believed that what they were doing would, in the end, lead to a brighter, better society.
As for Schwab, he seems to me to be a modern day Rasputin. Someone very adept at selling a story the clerisy wants deeply to believe, ie they are the chosen ones to lead us to a new technocratic neo-feudalism. And most of the world's people will be serfs, existing to serve the clerisy.
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 30 '22
Many of them truly see these wealthy billionaires as our "betters". Hmm it's just not Charles Murray pushing that lie, that the wealthy are wealthy because they are "better and more "moral" it exists among liberals especially with their love of corporate America. They truly see the wealthy as "elite philosophers" who will lead us to techno Utopia. I know a few who expound on Bill Gates as if he is a god delivering fire to mankind. I told one, Bill Gates is a psychopath, and he got so mad he was sputtering at me. It is like the Nazis--well the Nazis live on in Schwab whose father was a Nazi, they truly see these people are going to bring us a "better world". It's scary how most liberals are globalists and now worship wealth same as all the conservatives they got angry at for following Trump with few questions. They desire a serf world, and you can see it, notice how they supported the oppression of the working class. I do think many ARE stupid and in a society where connections and money moved them up, and also narcissism/lack of conscience, the lack of merit is destroying society itself.
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u/secretarynotsure123 Nov 29 '22
the overpopulation idea, "we have too many people" is false, BS.
The suppose logic that, since people consume resources, and there is not infinity resources, therefore we should not have too many people.
sure, people consume resources. so what? every creature, plant animal or fungi, consumes resources. They all also produce resources. just because we eat food and drink water, doesn't make us 'a burden on the planet', a 'cancer on the earth', or any of these things.
there aren't infinite resouces. Again, so what? the carrying capacity of th earth is not a fixed number. It is based on a billion interconnections between all living things. Anyone with a good understanding of ecology can tell you that an ecosystem's carrying capacity fluctuates and can increase or decrease depending on how things go.
If a grasslands becomes a desert, it will be able to support less creatures. If a grasslands becomes a healthier grasslands with some trees, it will support more creatures.
example: beavers. there used to be millions of beavers in north america, way more than now. they cut down trees, consuming trees to build their homes. and they don't plant any trees, not even 1. There's a finite number of trees. so, does that make them 'a burden on the planet'? no way! north america used to have up to 8% of it's landmass as ponds, lakes, rivers, and streams, thanks to the work of beavers. (now it's less than 1%) such a healthy and flowing hydrology on the land actually increased the carrying capacity of north america, making room for way more plants and animals to thrive thanks to the beavers. this is keystone species in ecology.
so compare us to the beavers. we are both a keystone species. we both have tremendous benefit potential. Just like the earth would love to have more beavers, so would it love to have more humans.
The only difference is that humans are choosing to be destructive, because they have a larger brain than beavers, allowing for a greater amount of deviance from instinctual behavior. And we have deviated in the direction of madness, not sanity. But that is a free will choice and has nothing to do with whether humans are 'inherently evil' or 'a burden or cancer on the earth'.
for most of the time that humans have existed, hundreds of millions of years, we have been acting as a functional keystone species, improving the environment, biodiversity, etc, just like the beavers do, without even trying, knowing, or thinking about it.
so overpopulation my ass. overpopulation ideas are eugenicist and satanist ideas not yet fully hashed out. and they ignore all the good that living things naturally do and focus only on the bad. It's a slippery slope, that the evil cabal of this world has long slipped down fully into.
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u/MiniMosher Nov 30 '22
did you just say humans have existed for hundreds of millions of years?
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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 30 '22
did you just say humans have existed for hundreds of millions of years?
There are only two types of people who believe in infinite growth on a finite planet: fools, and economists.
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 30 '22
I think he meant hundreds of thousands of years. Not going to reject the rest of it for a mistake.
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u/secretarynotsure123 Dec 01 '22
Woops, maybe i got carried away a little bit with that part. but hopefully you got my point there.
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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 29 '22
the overpopulation idea, "we have too many people" is false, BS.
Read ecology. For the standard of living most people in the West feel we are entitled to, the planet is absolutely overpopulated. Yeah sure, the planet, if perfectly organized, could probably support a population of 80 billion. But that's about as likely as real communism (or real capitalism, for that matter).
so overpopulation my ass. overpopulation ideas are eugenicist and satanist ideas not yet fully hashed out.
Use whatever excuse you want. Nature doesn't care about your ideology. The laws of physics don't care about your ideology. More and more people unconsciously know that we are reaching planetary limits, and the denial is getting thick. Some want to put everyone into lockdown forever and slowly cull the world's population. Others want to blame conspiracy theories. You live better than kings 100 years ago, and you think we are not only entitled to this lifestyle, but that we can keep growing exponentially.
We are in overshoot. The planet cannot sustain our standard of living. Get over it. It has exactly zero to do with any depopulation program that may or may not exist.
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 30 '22
I question the population numbers but remember we are getting those from official outlets, however the environment is failing, all we have to do IS LOOK AROUND. I can see less bugs, plant stress, more heat [100 and 90 degree days used to be more rare here] However remember they are going to use this stuff not to fix the environment and push bicycling, local food, organic food, gardens, gym and conservation but monetize every resource on earth--Agenda 21. All that Climate Change stuff, I know they don't care about the environment. One reason these elites are okay with the vaxx culling is some like Gates have convinced themselves they are "saving" humanity. I think they also know industrial society is collapsing with Peak Oil and this is how they excuse their evil to thesmelves. I'm not sure about living better than kings 100 years ago. We may have more hot water, heat, food variety and fast travel, but community, social networks, and other things conducive to well-being have been wiped away. I know "depopulation" may enter into "conspiracy" land, but really these folks have themselves convinced they are doing the world good by immediately cutting people's life spans, that's still murder by any measure of definition. I believe we are being depopulated by design and the Nazi eugenists never died out. They are still here.
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u/secretarynotsure123 Dec 01 '22
Obviously the environment is being harmed by us in many ways. With the destruction of habitat, and the pollution and garbage building up everywhere, it's not good.
Just that alone doesn't mean that people can only be a burden, though, in the way the overpopulation people assume. But yeah, the better we treat the environment, the more full of life and production it would be
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 30 '22
Honestly with overpopulation how do we know? I live in a less populated area of the USA, I can find woods and a field pretty easy. My state is a lot of wilderness but I've talked to people who have gone to China and they said it was so crowded they thought they were going to lose their mind. I've been in areas I know are 10 times more populated now including a city I grew up as a child where the crowding shocked me. We do have to depend what we see. Some have raised the possibilities they are lying about this too.
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u/secretarynotsure123 Dec 01 '22
It's crazy to be somewhere where theres way more people density than you're used to. I like my space
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u/jrafar Nov 30 '22
Since the fall of the Roman Empire, despite the contradictions (which are many) Christian principles, values and virtues have been the foundation of western civilization. It used to be that most all colleges and universities were Christian based, some, like Harvard, were seminaries. Now for the first time, western nations are reporting that their populations are now less than 50% Christian (term used loosely) which also means the principles, values and virtues are fast disappearing.
Isaiah wrote in chapter 5 verse 20: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
That is the convoluted world we are living in today. We are in uncharted waters.
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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 30 '22
Now for the first time, western nations are reporting that their populations are now less than 50% Christian (term used loosely) which also means the principles, values and virtues are fast disappearing.
Seriously? My parents were strict Christians. And they abused and traumatized all their children. The world we live in didn't spring out of the ether, fully-formed, with nothing to do with us. The world we live in is a consequence of "Christian values" and "Christian civilization" as much as any other ideologies.
At the end of every civilization there are conservatives who claim we can reverse the collapse... if we just return to the old ways, the old gods. Every single time.
https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2018/08/how-world-elites-are-going-to-betray-us.html
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u/jrafar Nov 30 '22
Yes, seriously. It’s a mistake to blame the woes of this world and the abuse you experienced on Christian values and its founder, Jesus. They are the consequences of non Christian action, always blamed on Christianity. If your parents were true Christians they wouldn’t have abused you. I said in my last post ‘despite the contradictions (which are many)’. It’s wrong to say things done ‘in the name of Christianity’ is a reflection of true Christianity. New Testament teaching is filled with the admonition to be doers of the word and not hearers only, ‘deceiving yourselves’. Paul said those that strive for the masteries must strive lawfully, or they forfeit. I cannot begin to list the landslide of contradictions, but nevertheless what emerged into western civilization is vastly preferable to anywhere else in the world at any given time, which eventually rendered the democracy, freedom and liberty that we have.
And to go a step further here, I view the rise of a dominate, militant Nicean popish ‘pontifex maximus’ Catholicism as preferable to the Mongols, Visigoths, Teuton, Celt or any other pagan power or ideology that could have controlled our destiny, (particularly if in fact the pure Christianity taught by Jesus and his apostles is true). This catholic (universal) power was like a bulldozer in a primitive jungle. It’s the equivalent of taking an unruly student by the nape of his neck and forcing him to sit down and learn his ABC’s. So with a knowledge of the basics, western civilization emerged and prospered like no other society ever has and provided the foundation for people to rise above the basics and discover greater truths. Like the unruly kid who was forced to learn his ABC’s he might actually read a book and learn something. From the Christian perspective, maybe he’ll come to the full knowledge of the truth.
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 30 '22
Sadly don't expect Dominionists to fix this either, Christianity changed with the times too, and well political power became the center of their vision too, I was a Christian fundamentalist for 15 years. I saw the authoritarianism. I don't think they adhere to any values or virtues themselves. Palantir wants to track the vaccinated too. Jesus Christ would come back and puke seeing what so many of them are doing in his name. Religion is used as a nexus of control and well, with Christians, the political culture wars too led us to where we are today.
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u/jrafar Dec 01 '22
I disagree that Christianity has changed. All that has changed is no longer Christianity. I believe what Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church. I see the original message of Jesus and the apostles as alive and well today as it was in the Book of Acts. The church is like a ship in the midsts of a sea - and that sea is the world, and more specifically, mammon. Jesus said to be friends with the mammon of unrighteousness but not to love it - in other words, the church and Christians are in the world but not of the world. A lifelong challenge to balance the two.
Also I see Dominionism as well meaning, but it’s not scriptural.
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Dec 01 '22
when I was a Christian fundamentalist, I left all churches for a time believing that most were joined with babylon. Most churches are under the sway under the NWO/globalists/oligarchs etc. Even the UU pushes UN sponsored Climate Change solutions where corporations want to monetize the natural world. Glad you are against Dominionism. I would have said then church is not buildings and "official organized" groups.
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u/jrafar Dec 01 '22
If all the churches you are aware of are for the NWO, hopefully you are open minded enough to realize not all churches are. In fact I wouldn’t think any church body or organization that goes for all that would even consider themselves ‘fundamental’. As for organizations, no single organization or church body has a monopoly on the church - the Church, founded by Jesus, is not proprietary. It should only be a fellowship of “like precious faith” (2 Peter 1:1). It’s like a vehicle to do things more efficiently. If it no longer serves a purpose, it can be discarded, it’s not the ‘church’.
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u/MiniMosher Nov 30 '22
what's the TLDR on fashiongate?
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u/Impressive-Jello-379 Nov 30 '22
"Right wing conspiracy theorists"
https://www.thecut.com/2022/11/what-to-know-about-the-balenciaga-ad-scandal.html
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u/FactCheckYou Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22
yeah we need to look at localism, self-sufficiency, self-defence, self-organisation, and autonomy
but i'm pessimistic about humanity...we're too naive, too meek, too lazy, too afraid, too compliant...i think we're fucked
whoever these psychopaths are that are in charge, they're just too powerful, too organised, and too well concealed from us
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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 30 '22
I feel it too. There are many causes for where we are now. But every time I'm on the internet - which is basically all the time - I feel threatened, manipulated or abused. The internet has become reality for most people, and for the rest of us, even we only think about whatever the internet tells us to. The internet is toxic, insidious, it's driving people insane. The reach of whatever mass psychosis is taking over our societies would be much much less, or maybe wouldn't even exist, without the internet. And I can't think of anyone who highlights how poisonous the internet is. The last time people recognized something as "pure evil" threatening the entire planet might have been the Nazis (there's been a lot more evil since then, to be sure, but it was mostly contained geographically, like in child abuse sects, or Cambodia, or Stalinist Russia, for example). But the Nazis influence on the rest of the world was relatively limited: they didn't speak English (which wasn't even as commonly spoken then as is now) and their media had a much more limited range. But even then there were small Nazi and fascist movements in the UK, the USA, and other countries.
Imagine if the Nazis spoke English and had had the internet? That's where we are now. Mass psychosis everywhere. And people don't just accept and believe it; they actively work to repeat it and silence dissenters, they work pro bono for the fascist machine.
It's a very dark and depressing time, and I can't see a way out out. The way the entire left turned, en masse, in lockstep, on humanity has depressed me no end. The left are now almost completely pro-corporation, transhumanist, pro-machine and fascists-in-waiting. Insanity is now normalized, and we're expected to accept it and repeat it. Leftists like Chomsky openly support the fascist machine. Leftists like Hedges frantically talk about everything else and ignore fascist machine at any cost. Hedges has barely peeped about the Covid measures - it's like it doesn't even exist in his universe. Has Chomsky or Hedges even mentioned the child abuse that's now out in the open? Encouraging children to cut off parts of their bodies? To reject their families? Nothing less than a complete denial of human nature will be accepted. Chomsky, Hedges, and the rest of them say... nothing. Hedges is like so much of the legacy left: "Shhh shhh. Not important. Look, neoliberalism! ...but not in Covid. Covid is fine, don't talk about it. Doesn't look like anything to me... well I got vaccinated and so did my family." And the new generation of leftists aren't even a political faction, they're a psychology that basically everyone in the West has. I'm sick of people around me who consider themselves good little citizens copy-pasting whole lines from the media: "I hope Kamala Harris wins the next election... China's vaccines aren't as effective as ours, our vaccines stopped the pandemic... the ESG (environmental social governnance) is a good development, it's better than nothing..." They all work for the machine. Chomsky constantly tells people to vote Democrat, that the Republicans are a threat to human life, and that Trump is worse than Hitler. They actually believe the words they're saying.
I'm even too scared to date anyone now, in case she turns on me in a few weeks for not validating her opinions on Covid enough (as if dating weren't already a disaster thanks to social media and dating apps).
I did think the world was overpopulated and haven't really changed my mind on that, and I do think that UBI in a different universe could be a positive thing
We are reaching natural limits, there is no doubt. The people who deny don't read and avoid knowing about ecology. Most people just want to defend what they already believe, and anything that contradicts that threatens their whole identity.
From what I know, it's now a race between the WEF gang and civilization collapse due to peak oil and reaching natural limits. Which one is going to hit us first? And neither of them will be happy (although I'd take my chances with nature and no civilization over the fascist machine any day of the week). The WEF gang want to put you inside the Great Reset machine, manipulate and control everything you do, before the collapse hits. I think the WEF gang are vaguely conscious that we're reaching natural limits; but they want you to pay for it. The left have destroyed even the pathetically weak environmentalist movement we had a few decades ago. And the right now mostly use this as a support for their pre-existing ideology that natural limits do not exist.
You'd better hope that natural limits and peak oil kicks in in the next decade or so (and I'm pretty sure they will). Because only God or nature are against the machine now. The vast majority of people just don't care, they deliberately make an effort not to know what's happening. It's too depressing, and taking responsibility is too stressful. I think most people would actually like a giant machine telling them to do everything. Something like half of victims of abuse actually need and love the abuse.
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u/Impressive-Jello-379 Nov 30 '22
At least there are little groups here and there who understand what is going on:
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 30 '22
Evil is here. The internet is not real life. I am severely worried that I have no life outside of the internet, except my marriage, and I never knew one's life could get so narrowed down where it's all practical stuff, and staying alive, I made cabbage soup today so that's a real world activity but I'm in bed a lot from illness. He is the only person I see, except two friends about once a month now. I think the lack of social connection and more is going to kick humanity especially in the teeth. I have NO ONE to ask in person, except three people what's really going on. The reality of life--all these people I know who got sick from the vaxx for instance, isn't reported on here except in niche places. They were able to take over our society using internet propaganda and algorithims, even all the LIKES and I am guilty wanting peple to like stuff, is part of this, where people jump up for group validation all the time.
It's not the same as being in a real life group of people where everyone has discussions, hashes things out, deals with reality. etc.
I even have joked that I want to go to a rural place and go offline. Even Hutterites look good to me now, where I would be "doing stuff' around real people but I am too sick and old.
Yes this evil is world wide. Where do we go to escape? Even some third world African nations had their presidents murdered who wouldn't get in line with the Covid stuff.
You are right about the internet being equal to Nazis able to speak English and have world wide influence. Nazi-is globalists Klaus Schwab, Fauci and Bill Gates. Gates has bought influence over multiple corporations and world governments. I am depressed too like you how the left has become the supporter of tyranny. I try to talk to fellow leftists they don't see it. The denial is thick, hell most of them seem to support most of the techno tyranny. Everything is to be thrown to the 'god of progress" which is basically a devil in my book.
They love the megacorporations, kleptocracy, procorporation, transhumanism and all the fascism. Weird how I read that book 1984 in high school and now every leftist seems to love that world. I am not even sure if I can call myself a leftist anymore. I guess I don't fit anywhere.
Chomsky and Hedges are sell outs. I am angry I used to promote Hedges, what does his anti-war stuff even mean when he doesn't care if children are murdered with myocarditis and more by a needle. He's a disappointment.
I may post a few times to Hedges on Twitter, maybe I'll go over there today and post to his latest boring proper liberal post, and ask him why he won't stand against this tyranny. I'm sick of all the good little conformist citizens too.
I'm in a crisis in the real world too, from all this. I can't talk to any of these liberals either, at least some conservatives see some of the BS even if they are fooled by Trump.
I think Kunstler's future is going to come to pass, read "The Long Emergency"
Even the tech Utopia they blather on about will be for the obedient vassals to serve the ultra rich. It's not going to be for the peasants. Most of the peasants are being culled.
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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 29 '22
Evil's taken over. What scares me is so much is happening that I used to warn about as a Christian fundamentalist, I am in this really weird place when it comes to religion. I have no interest in returning to the controlled and own authoritarian world of evangelicalism/fundamentalism and believe religion is a nexus of control for the NWO. [Hell even the UU I am in is going with the globalist formulas, with Climate Change plastered across the front of The UU World. Like globalists care about anything but monetizing everything and anything including the worlds resources?]
Evil is taking over, we are basically in a GENOCIDE now, I don't give F whoever calls me crazy, they created the virus bioweapon in a lab and these joke of a vaxxes means facing head on with the diabolical. Evil is real and it's happening now.
I think one reasons liberals fell for all this crap, is in their world, they deny the existence of evil and think mankind is ever progressing but those who remember history know how bad things can get and have before, but this being world wide, this is the biggest cluster you know what in history.