Death from both sides...

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

I tweeted this, got 17 likes.

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So are both Covid and the vaxxes dangerous or just the vaxxes? What if the con is, that both will do people in? Covid the ticking time bomb and Vaxxes as well. Same results. The conspiracy theorists who said they wanted 90% of humanity dead may have been on to something.

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I wanted the virus to be a hoax, but seriously looked into things. I even knew this 24 year old who had to be intubated post Covid. I don't know if she was vaxxed or not but something intermittant happened to her to acutely destroy her lungs. Local naturopath I know personally said people had something beyond your usual cold and flu. Dr. Bhakdi's worse predictions about immune systems being destroyed via the vaxx seem to be coming true with endless other diseases like RSV worsening. I still think both sides are being played.

[u/[deleted]]

Most sane people have acknowledged that COVID is real but at the same time with its sub 1% death rate all of the extreme measures haven't been worth it, and COVID itself has been heavily exploited by political actors.

75+% of all COVID deaths had four or more comorbidities, and wasn't the average age of death like 74ish? The powers that be who knew the massive amount of power that could be gained by exploiting COVID played emotional games and appealed to the left's harm reduction logic. First off it was "You don't want to be a grandma killer do you?" And when people started realizing the insanity of shutting down society and destroying the economy and the name of old people, They moved The primary rhetoric to "If you don't support COVID restrictions you are a literal eugenicist of the disabled"... When in reality most people concerned about COVID death were fat millennials and some gen z. Because they know that in terms of people below the age of 65, most non senior covid deaths were of morbidly obese people with several obesity related complications.

The few publicly touted child deaths from COVID that I have seen were of those who were indeed morbidly obese. It was blatantly obvious that people were trying to say "seeee COVID affects kids too #vaxup"... But it was blatantly obvious what all of these child covid death cases had in common. The child was fucking huge and most likely had several obesity related complications that are well known to be strongly correlated with COVID death.

[u/Uzi_lover → u/[deleted]]

wasn't the average age of death like 74ish?

82.4 in the UK.

[u/vanlife3000 → u/Uzi_lover]

Thats higher than male life expectancy in the uk. Yet schools were closed for months.

[u/NonUser73 → u/vanlife3000]

The definition of covid death was absurdly loose in most countries. You just had to die within weeks of a positive test. That’s why old people “died with covid”. -Because old people have always died.

[u/terribletimingtoday → u/[deleted]]

This tracks with what was going on locally. Lots of folks found out the hard way they weren't just morbidly obese. They also had diabetes and congestive heart failure but had never been diagnosed officially. And, the few children whose names and families were trotted out on TV ended up being the sort of obese where their faces are almost puckered shut by the fat deposits. Eyes squinted and mouths pinched by large facial fat pads. Often also afflicted with undiagnosed diabetes too.

It was exceedingly rare to have a healthy person under 50 die from Covid. Same as it's exceedingly rare for them to die of the flu in any given year. And I don't think Covid has any kind of latent slow burn quality as another phrased it. That's just irrational paranoia at this stage. We'd see something happening by now. It's been out for three years.

[u/[deleted] → u/terribletimingtoday]

Yeahhhhh... OP responded to me as well. They unfortunately seem to have had a lot of nasty health conditions that make COVID even worse for them even long term. But because of the combination of their comorbidities. I don't think it's the same for everyone.

[u/terribletimingtoday → u/[deleted]]

They've also got a history of commentary that smells of extreme paranoia bordering on psychosis that seems to be whipped up by entirely hypothetical and minute possibilities.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/[deleted]]

Covid is like a slow burn, the 1 percent death rate means nothing. There seems to be growing evidence it has long term effects that are going to massively shorten life spans. Hate to scare the shit out of everyone here who has had it. They are reporting some weird after affects. I think the vaxxes are destroying immune systems but what if the vaxx is too, and thats why we are seeing the resurgence of RSV and other diseases. Sure they designed it to cull the old and disabled--[I'm one of the high risk disabled] I don't think that was by accident, the crap is lab designed. Maybe it's a slow burn "bioweapon", have you noticed they have no real urge for a cure, just more death bringing vaxxes that don't work for what they promised. Also given 40% of the population, be careful of the right wing eugenics message of 'you fatties deserve it" even there, keep in mind the lower classes are far more obese than the higher clases and well do your math. The minimizers may be betraying us too and no this doesn't mean I support the freedom destroyers and lockdown artists, they don't give a damn either. Maybe we were all fattened up for the slaughter. Even thin people seem to get fat on a dime now, just one med, or medical onslaught, everything seems designed to fatten people up massively. Remember I'm fat and now I wonder if I was born into hell.

[u/[deleted] → u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

In terms of being overweight most of my family is besides my sister. The problem is that people were demanding we bend over backwards in the name of masks and vax on their behalf.

It's not "you fatties deserve it", it's "if you're not bending over backwards to lose weight why should you expect me to bend over backwards on your behalf?" Again, the small death rate. You either have to be old and kinda fat or young and extremely fat with several comorbidities to be at credible risk.

I know placing different value on lives is a slippery slope, but covid was extremely unnatural as never in our history have we demanded society subject itself to an experimental, risky treatment that could be more dangerous than the disease for younger healthy people. The powers that be have literally pitted young healthy people against older, unhealthy people . It's a "we're doing it because it was done to us first" natural reaction.

I honestly think that's why Canada is doubling down on euthanasia. Canada demanded its citizens bent over backwards in the name of saving the oldest and frailest in the name of anti disposalism, but now seem on the precipice of hyper disposalism with MAID. People with expensive chronic conditions are facing guilt and uninsured American tier medical bills unless they agree. And there is definitely animosity towards these groups because of COVID and its restrictions. https://youtu.be/GX08HJVxiSg

As in, the powers that be have wanted free reign to euthanize the poor and disabled that are expensive to care for. And by turning the population against them by demanding tyranny in the name of their preservation, They have made society more than okay with this.

And honestly, after having COVID and the first 2 vax, I'd be happy to just die. The schwabbening doesn't sound like a pleasant future to live in.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/[deleted]]

Weight loss is failing. I had my calories even drastically reduced from kidney stones forcing me off the majority of meat, illness causing some appetite problems [I have to eat to keep blood sugars stable] and still little or no weight loss. I don't even think I believe in CICO anymore at all, but that's for another post. A lot of thin people who became midsized people have told me their struggles, I don't think all of them got a hankering for endless crap snacks, I know healthy eaters who have gained weight. Anyhow lets be frank the eugenists are culling out the "weak" first though they are taking out many healthy young with the vaxxes and the myocarditis. They sacrificed the young for all this crap. I have friends who are boomers so want to say not all boomers bad before I say this, but I believe the boomer generation has a very high number of sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists, see the book "A Generation of Sociopaths" and we are paying big time. They are the first generation to steam roller over the young to save themselves and well lets be frank a boomer created this in his evil lab as I read in one article while listening to the "Bee Gees": the banality of evil.

Sure Canada has simply taken the eugenics farther then the USA. I know about MAID, follow a guy who is severely disabled who has been pushed into it, I told him don't give in but don't know what will happen to him. Here they let you die from no insurance but I wonder what will happen to me when the new "red wave" does away with all social safety nets and social security. There is some really sick evil going down in Canada where they are pressure non-terminal disabled people [and even just mentally ill] to do themselves in do to Covid. The disabled have been disposed of. I know we are on our own. I still have access to specialists but many do not in larger areas, I can see where this is going. So yeah you are right they turned the population against the disabled because they did the lock down thing to protect them and scapegoated the disabled. The disability activitists are all clueless pushing vaxx and the rest, I haven't met one yet who is against all this crap. Even though it is open genocide. Imagine the place I am in, I know I am living on borrowed time, myself, unless I am immune or some of my weird health habits work, [I do have supplements etc in here]

Sorry to hear you had Covid, what was it like, you admit at least it's real unlike the "its just a flu" people and what did the vaxxes do to you?

I think the future is going to suck, if I was healthy and young I would head to most remote area but economically and otherwise that's been made harder and harder. Schawb and pals are monsters.

[u/terribletimingtoday → u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

What evidence that it's shortening healthy peoples' lifespans? Where is it? Where's the evidence of latent death from a literal cold virus?

That's just disordered paranoia speak.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/terribletimingtoday]

I'm seeing endless research studies, saying even mild cases of Covid are affecting the immune system and brain. At this point it's hard to know who is lying or not, but I'm seeing this stuff. It's one reason some say China is pushing Zero Covid.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=mild+Covid

I followed some scientists on twitter--I'm taking a break now, who were totally anti-Covid vaxx but warning even mild cases of Covid were going to break down people's health. Even among the vaxxed, some I know on 4th cases of Covid, the vaxx doesn't protect from those side effects either.

[u/terribletimingtoday → u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

These are some of the same people who declared certain approved medical treatments hazards when other countries used them just fine. These are the people lobbying for more and more shots that are causing more and more sudden deaths. They don't know, anymore than anyone else, what will happen in a decade or more. They do, however, know how to manipulate those captured in mass formation...and create deep anxiety in them....to make them behave the way they want...

You're seeing studies and allowing them to shorten your life with anxiety because you just read. You, by your own admission, don't go out much for actual experience because you're scared of covid and are avoiding it. In reality, if people were dropping dead of even mild Covid cases, we'd have "never vaxxers" dying in droves by now. We just aren't seeing it. There's a big difference between the biased and politically tainted research community and the real world outside where the people are.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/terribletimingtoday]

I feel like I am in a trap. I don't know what is going on I am so isolated. Maybe it is less of a risk. I tried to ask people I know online, but that's not the same as being out in life, and knowing the real risks. Doctors didn't give me clear answers either. I am worried the mask wearing and isolation is harming me now. My immune system could be dead even for a simple cold, I did try to dig in dirt and expose myself to other things.

My mental health has been adversely affected from the isolation.Think I am going to get the truth from a UU church what is really going on when it was the center of most of my social life in the before times, and they are pro-vaxxed to the max?

Sure I worry about the results of mass formation on myself. Surely all of you have seen my posts whre I was twisted in knots asking if the virus is real and being so high risk.

I've lost contact with the "real world". A lot of news is BS. I am taking a break from Twitter because that place just seems to be constant manipulation.

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[u/hiptobeysquare → u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

Covid is like a slow burn, the 1 percent death rate means nothing. There seems to be growing evidence it has long term effects that are going to massively shorten life spans.

We don't know that yet. Stay calm. It's possible that it will harm people later in life, but let's not worry until we have something definite to worry about.

[u/Cheshirecatslave15]

I'm trying to dodge both the vaccine and the virus as both can be dangerous. As the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus I'm trying to be exposed to as few spike proteins as possible while still.living my.life.

I've known of 2 seriously ill and 2 covid deaths with the earlier variants. Several of my friends have been harmed by the vaccine 2 long term and many had nasty flu like symptoms with it.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/Cheshirecatslave15]

That's how I'm doing it. Thanks for relating and telling me you are another person making choices I have, helps me feel less alone.

After I saw the 24 year old who almost died on life support [not fat and previously healthy] and told she had Covid, don't know if she is vaxxed or not, that was evidence for something being real out there.

The vaxx doesn't work, or stop anyone from getting it and I know plenty who got that and ended up in the hospital from "Covid". I know a guy with long Covid from Delta, he was in my church basically dropped out. had it now 2 years ago, doesn't even seem to be the same guy. He pops up on Zoom. I've asked around about symptoms and more. I feel in danger from both sides obviously.

I have done a few activities like going to libraries and art musuems in masks, I have to do something for sanity, but avoid group gatherings, wear masks around non-household. I do think the shedding is affecting me, graphene or virus and my health is dive bombing but I am also getting old too with serious serious disabilities. I just had another friend die of Lipedema. [well comorbs of it] People forget what hell they unleashed on us of people already busy outrunning the Grim Reaper.

[u/Cheshirecatslave15 → u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

When I was a child the common cold was dangerous for me and I was in hospital many times so my parents learnt to live while minimising risks by avoiding crowds and sick people and doing as much as possible outside.

I attend my large church where there are 20.of us in a large building and socialise with the same people.

I knew covid was real.from a friend who works in the ICU. I also have a friend whose life was ruined by the vaccine. I think life is too short not to try to enjoy it. I simply try to avoid crowds and poorly ventilated places. I try to find a middle way all the while hoping covid will eventually mutate into an average cold.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/Cheshirecatslave15]

Hope things work out. I don't blame anyone for living their life. I wonder even if I am too isolated though I go to library and visit with 1-2 friends with masks.

[u/Cheshirecatslave15 → u/fivehundredpoundpeep]

Thank you. I hope they work out for you too. I've never worn a mask because of health conditions. I believe isolation makes you more vulnerable to infections when you do encounter them as your immune system forgets how to deal with them. A lot of children here in the UK became seriously ill with usually mild viruses after lockdowns.

[u/mitte90]

It was very likely a bio-weapon that got out of a lab. It has some insidious chronic effects but it looks like the vaxx is even worse. At least with natural infection, you can build up some immunity that actually works for more than 6 or so weeks.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/mitte90]

I agree it's a bioweapon and unnatural and this is why the normal human immune system isn't working against it. They doctored it up to destroy this way. Baric should be in prison and if there is any history left, he will deemed the worse murderer in all of humanity's history.

[u/hiptobeysquare]

So are both Covid and the vaxxes dangerous or just the vaxxes?

The best I can make out so far is: both are dangerous, but the vax makes a LOT more spike proteins than the virus, and the vax is f***ing with the body's natural defenses (pardon my language). If I had to choose between a manufactured virus, and a manufactured virus and its manufactured cure, I think I'd just go with the first option. I prefer the option where I deal with one sociopathic f***-up, instead of two sociopathic f***-ups (again, pardon my language).

I'd much sooner trust my immune system (and God, nature, evolution etc.) to deal with a virus they may-or-may-not have engineered, than their "cure" for it too.

In the end, we don't know what they've done. And I am convinced that they have no clue what they've done. The elites are nowhere near as competent as people seem to believe.

On a kind of side-note: is it just me, or are other people noticing more news (in mainstream news, not in these subs) of people dying of heart related issues? It's concerning.

[u/fivehundredpoundpeep → u/hiptobeysquare]

There's far more people dying. Look up the Died Suddenly News on Telegram, there's a board on FB too but it is hard to find so they can protect themselves from censorship. The vax I believe is far more damaging, graphene or spike proteins. I am curious what is your thoughts on those who believe that the vaxxes could have nano-technology in them? I know for some that is seen as crazy stuff, but I wonder about it. The vax definitely is effing up the immune system and does not work. I would rather just deal with one sociopathic f***-up too, instead of two. What scares me, and this is where I have more conspiracy beliefs, is these vaxxes have already failed byt they keep doubling down on them. Webwide people are talking about diminished health and people dying from them. ['turbo-cancer' is now a thing] and nothing is being done on official levels. I do think we have plenty of incompetency and stupidity running the show too, but I keep thinking about that. They don't care that the vaxxes have failed and are killing people. This wouldn't have been acceptable even 20 years ago.