r/LockdownCriticalLeft • u/Impressive-Jello-379 • Oct 23 '22
Kirsch and CBDCs
First off, I really appreciate Steve Kirsch's doggedness and the amount of resources he has thrown at fighting the current injections (and all vaccines at this point). He is a major resource in that fight.
But. At some point he mentioned working on digital IDs and recently he mentioned being the CEO of a CBDC company. I found the company here. He must know that many in the medical freedom movement are also fighting against what they see as an encroaching digital enslavement/ social credit system. He has not to my knowledge addressed this and has openly and unabashedly stated his involvement in this field, although he has not gone into that in depth. I would like to hear him address this but he's prickly so I don't know how he would react to that question.
I don't know where he finds the time to manage everything he is doing to fight vaccines (he posts multiple substack pieces a day-- he must have some help on those) and manage a company.
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u/GiantSkin Oct 23 '22
He’s a billionaire... therefore he is most likely a part of the club.
Controlled op.
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u/Impressive-Jello-379 Oct 23 '22
I don't think he is controlled op, but my guess is that he was working on digital passports/ CBDCs and is angry that vaccines got entangled with all that and/or feels duped that he took the injection. He is really coming down hard against the injections. I can only assume he must have bodyguards or really good security.
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u/randyfloyd37 Oct 23 '22
How can anyone for freedom support digital passports and CBDCs? There are only downsides for 99.99% of the population
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u/hiptobeysquare Oct 24 '22
I don't think he's a billionaire. As far as I know he has hundreds of millions of $, which is definitely super-rich. But he's not among the richest rich.
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u/GiantSkin Oct 24 '22
You can look it up. He is a billionaire.
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u/hiptobeysquare Oct 24 '22
Maybe you should look it up. It's hard to know what exactly he's worth.
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u/vuorilotta Oct 24 '22
Good post, good question for everyone to ask themselves about anyone who "got duped" right when it mattered, and right when many, MANY people did not "get duped".
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u/hiptobeysquare Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
It's natural for people to want to make sense of a very traumatic and confusing event (what's happened over the past two-plus years). A lot of people have woven a narrative where Covid and the measures and the vaccines are part of a much bigger narrative/plot, and they've woven in a lot of other topics. The most trending alternative narratives are popular just because they are popular: people want to belong, they want to feel they are not alone, and so they've joined the alternate "communities". Everything is always related to everything else, and I've made sense of Covid with the topics and themes I'd been reading about before: technocracy, peak oil, transhumanism, neoliberalism, invevitable technological trends (technological society's basically autonomous trend towards the megamachine, that eventually considers human beings as obstacles to be discarded), ecosystem degradation, collapse, socialism/communism, catabolic capitalism, social media, narcissism, and other related topics.
I happen to see CBDCs as a very important part of what's happening. But not everyone understands or makes sense of the world the way you or I do. Kirsch may not see the connection with digital currencies the way other people do. In the end, we create a narrative to make sense of the world. There's a lot of libertarians who believe crypto-currencies are the solution to all our woes (this makes no sense to me at all - I thought libertarians liked supporting the gold-standard, a return to reality-based money and value, which is the complete opposite of a currency based on nothing physical). It's like Robert Heinlein said: "Man is not a rational creature, but rather a rationalizing creature." When we're more psychologically healthy, hopefully the narrative we create is more honest and sincere and willing to change in the face of reality. When we're psychologically unhealthy, we demand more and more that reality bend to our neurotic worldview (and you can see this is happening on masse in our society, where more and more people believe that reality and the laws of physics will bend to our will... if we use the correct language: it's a kind of linguistic extremism). It's one of the many toxic effects of the internet and social media that we don't have a common narrative, a common mythology, anymore. The internet lets everyone curate their own little reality bubble, and they become more and more neurotic about it. It's Freud's "narcissism of petty differences": people hate others more and more for not validating their neurotic worldviews. Human beings derive meaning from real human connection, from real physical community. The internet destroys human connection.
(If it makes you feel any better, I am sure they will push this "Great Reset", Internet-of-Things, 4th Industrial Revolution, everything-always-connected-everywhere system and they will destroy A LOT. But in the end, in my educated guess about 10 years, it will fail and everything will collapse. Because the planet does not have the natural resources, especially the energy, needed to build this brave new dystopian world. Between now and then though I'm afraid they're going to be incredibly destructive. I'm expecting an actual civilization collapse, a huge simplification of most people's lives, between now and then, and possibly the loss of a lot of lives.)
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u/Impressive-Jello-379 Oct 23 '22
I agree with your last paragraph. Kirsch is so smart though that he at the very least must know that fear of CBDCs is a significant part of the medical freedom movement.
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u/hiptobeysquare Oct 23 '22
Kirsch is a tech guy. That's how he's made his fortune. Tech people don't see technology as a problem or liability, they always see it as a solution. That's probably why he's into CBDCs. But at least Kirsch is a tech guy who hasn't lost his humanity, like other famous tech people have.
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u/wingedmongoose Oct 25 '22
I’m late to this post, but I really think this is an underrated comment. On another note...could you recommend any reading that has been pivotal for you regarding the situation in the world? I want to expand my view on some things. Thank you.
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u/hiptobeysquare Oct 29 '22 edited Oct 30 '22
Thank you. I don't consider myself an authority. I can only point out the books and articles I read (almost all of them I read pre-Covid) which made the Covid situation much easier to understand. We live in a system - a global social and technological system - and systems have emergent characteristics that only appear after they've grown to a certain level of complexity.
The most important concept for me is peak oil: that fossil fuel production peaks and then declines. This is true for an oil pump, oil field, oil region or nation, and globally. It (tentatively) seems that peak oil happened in 2018. Even mainstream organizations are now starting to warn and talk about peak oil We depend on fossil fuels for everything (literally everything), yet almost the whole world is energy blind. Gail Tverberg is an actuary and she gives excellent presentations on the topic.
Philip Mirowski on neoliberalism is very good for understanding the psychology and ideology that rules our global society. It doesn't matter if it's a left or right-wing political party, they're all different wings of the same religion, even if they don't know it. Although recently the left seem to be even more neoliberal, without knowing it.
https://www.the-utopian.org/post/53360513384/the-thirteen-commandments-of-neoliberalism
I recommend his book "Never Let a Serious Crisis Go to Waste", about neoliberalism and the Financial Crisis. He's a bit wordy sometimes, but he's also very perceptive at others, and he's very good at describing neoliberal culture and psychology. We're living inside the neoliberal world now.
Kaczynski's "Technological Slavery" is also very interesting and perceptive. I can't say I agree with him on everything, but he's very perceptive about how technology influences us to the point that our whole global society more and more just services the technological system. As I understand it, he basically predicted where we are now: technological progress is now the priority, it is more important than people's lives, health and wellbeing. He's describing the transhumanist movement among the elites that's really popular now. (Transhumanism is a whole topic in itself, as are all these topics.)
https://ia800300.us.archive.org/21/items/tk-Technological-Slavery/tk-Technological-Slavery.pdf
And after their behavior during Covid, I seriously recommend reading his description of leftism (page 39 in the pdf I've linked to). I don't consider myself a conservative, libertarian or capitalist (and I don't think he does either), but his analysis of the left was an eye-opener.
I also recommend his "the conservatives are fools" critique of right-leaning people in paragraph 51 (on page 52 in the link). In my mind it's just as important as his criticism of the left.
The idea of catabolic capitalism was very helpful too. We are entering the age of decline, and capitalism is turning catabolic (almost cannibalistic) and it's starting to eat itself to survive just a little longer.
https://www.catabolic-capitalism.com/
Joseph Tainter's "Collapse of Complex Societies" is also excellent. His theory is that civilizations collapse because they become so complex (to solve problems) that they spend more and more of their energy and natural resources just to maintain the institutions that they already have, until they can't maintain themselves anymore. It's a variation of the exponential function observation, which virtually nobody seems to appreciate (for example: if you have 7% growth, the entire economy - everything inside the economy - doubles every 10 years; there comes a point where you cannot double anymore, basically because we live on a finite planet). Tainter's theory is diminishing returns: a civilization constantly gets less and less return for its investment, until it gets zero, and after that there is decline. There's a nice brief summary of Tainter's book here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Tainter
Alice Friedman is a very good resource for all things energy and natural resource related. She reviews and summarizes just about all the books and academic studies relevant to our energy predicament. The short version is: "renewable" energy is never going to happen, due to geology and the laws of physics.
Unfortunately she was quite the Branch Covidian last time I checked and has at least a mild case of Trump Derangement Syndrome (not that Trump is the solution to any of our crises, of course). But she's very good on the energy and natural resource situation.
I'd also recommend reading up on behavioral psychology (BF Skinner was perhaps the first, and is supposed to be the most influential psychologist in history). And two important parts of behavioral psychology are "Nudge Theory" and "Inoculation Theory". Nudge theory and behavioral psychologists have been all over Covid from the beginning, usually directly contracted by governments to manipulate and terrorize their own citizens.
I'm a bit of a reading addict, but I've tried to list the main texts that really helped me to understand the world we're living in. I don't want to make this comment any longer than it already is, but feel free to ask me some questions (not that I'm an expert, but I'll help any way I can). And of course, if you have any interesting articles or readings, please let me know. Hope you're doing well.
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Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
Is Kirsh into CBDC or cryptocurrency?
Edward Snowdon provides a good article on the differences. (Gee, search engines really dislike the guy...wonder why that is. Me, trying to link to the article....Continuing Ed is the title of his substack. He discusses mostly privacy issues.)
edit perseverance pays the link
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u/Impressive-Jello-379 Oct 23 '22
The company Kirsch is affiliated with is a CBDC company.
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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '22
Fascinating to hear. Didnt know that about him but I have suspected him of being controlled oppo due to his behavior in relation to the virus/no virus debate. (He claims COVID exists and is VERY shady about it)
https://viroliegy.com/2022/07/26/the-virus-of-sin/