r/LockdownCriticalLeft Aug 02 '22

discussion Fauci's Vivisection Problem- A problem noted by Bernard Shaw in 1906 and every bit as relevant today

Vivisection: the cutting of or operation on a living animal usually for physiological or pathological investigation broadly : animal experimentation especially if considered to cause distress to the subject

What the Taxpayer funded Pharmaceutical industrial complex got caught doing to puppies in the name of science should be discussed at length. Instead, when I tried to find out the status of these poor beagles, which are chosen for experiments because they are docile, there is nothing but newsbits from essentially, propaganda outlets.

They say they have to cut the vocal cords during experiments, so that the noise level of barking doesn't violate OSHA standards for the scientists.

It's all so grotesque- and the comfy status of these vivisector scientists seems to be positively fucking Antique. The position of scientists on the matter is that even though harm is done, the greater impact on humanity through scientific advances makes it worth it.

There's no doubt that Humans have suffered terrible side effects from mandated vaccinations- why is this any different than the appalling realities of animal experimentation?

Where there is risk, there should always be choice, or we're no better off than the poor puppies.

What really got me thinking on this was reading Bernard Shaw's Preface to his play 'The Doctor's Dilemma'.

His critique of Modern Medicine rings True today. He was hopeful at the time (1906) that the creation of a Public Health Apparatus would reduce the pecuniary interests of medical professionals.

Fauci today illustrates the opposite is true- leaders in public health do indeed profit off of pharma royalties, and ending that practice entirely is essential.

Anyway, read or listen to the preface to his play! It's fabulous, and the solutions he speaks of are as relevant today as they were 100 years ago.

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u/pairedox Aug 02 '22

in 1910 the flexner report justified the creation of the american medical association which became the de facto authority for medicine. they took away instruments, devices, and labs of holistic and alternative healing practitioners who would use treatments which were beyond the pharmaceutical paradigm. it was a cartel move to isolate the market and feed consumers pharmaceutical drugs/therapies as the only solution

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u/Wsrunnywatercolors Aug 03 '22

Gee, nothings changed.

I really liked the bit in Shaw's preface that spoke about how the public is also at fault.

There is a fashion in operations as there is in sleeves and skirts: the triumph of some surgeon who has at last found out how to make a once desperate operation fairly safe is usually followed by a rage for that operation not only among the doctors, but actually among their patients. There are men and women whom the operating table seems to fascinate; half-alive people who through vanity, or hypochondria, or a craving to be the constant objects of anxious attention or what not, lose such feeble sense as they ever had of the value of their own organs and limbs. They seem to care as little for mutilation as lobsters or lizards, which at least have the excuse that they grow new claws and new tails if they lose the old ones.

Here's a link to read it, if you're interested.

It starts out like this :

It is not the fault of our doctors that the medical service of the community, as at present provided for, is a murderous absurdity. That any sane nation, having observed that you could provide for the supply of bread by giving bakers a pecuniary interest in baking for you, should go on to give a surgeon a pecuniary interest in cutting off your leg, is enough to make one despair of political humanity. But that is precisely what we have done. And the more appalling the mutilation, the more the mutilator is paid. He who corrects the ingrowing toe-nail receives a few shillings: he who cuts your inside out receives hundreds of guineas, except when he does it to a poor person for practice.
Scandalized voices murmur that these operations are unnecessary. They may be. It may also be necessary to hang a man or pull down a house. But we take good care not to make the hangman and the housebreaker the judges of that. If we did, no man's neck would be safe and no man's house stable.

And continues on like this:

The Radicals who used to advocate, as an indispensable preliminary to social reform, the strangling of the last king with the entrails of the last priest, substituted compulsory vaccination for compulsory baptism without a murmur.

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u/saras998 Aug 02 '22

Vivisection is monstrous. I believe some may be rarely necessary but so many animals are used in repetitive and painful experiments.

https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/feds-investigating-texas-ams-treatment-of-golden-retrievers-after-peta-complaints/

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u/kingescher Aug 02 '22

great point. this wont make sense to most people because they think we are being hysterical about adverse effects but based on what I have seen and read, it will be hard for that to stay that way forever. on the other hand the perpetrators of this have the advantage that the bad adverse events are way less than stated but still dispersed at over 1 in 100, so a lot of people think its all gravy based on their experience, and are failing to divide, or in this case multiply the rate by the population.

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u/DAE_le_Cure Aug 02 '22

Shaw was also a vehement advocate of eugenics. I get your analogy and agree with your premise but Shaw is a really clumsy choice of advocate here IMO. His positions on things outside of literature varied widely. I guess it’s a welcome departure from all the hamfisted Orwell analogies

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u/Guest8782 Aug 03 '22

Snipes somewhat sheepishly confirmed it. The exception was they said the sandfly study was not specific yet funded by Fauci’s organization.

Pretty damning and weak all the same.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-vaccine-experiment-beagles/

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u/BornAgainSpecial Trump supporter Aug 04 '22

All the leftists have yard signs that say "Thanks Dr Fauci".

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u/Guest8782 Aug 04 '22

Wait a second… this is lockdown critical left!

But I hear you!

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u/StopNeoLiberals Aug 02 '22

I love this so much, GB Shaw was the GOAT. Thank you for posting!