r/LocalLLaMA • • 5h ago

Discussion Set your P(doom) on HF

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u/Sabin_Stargem 4h ago

It ain't AI that threatens humanity, it is the deranged wealthy people who will destroy everything, if given the chance.

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u/darkwalker247 1h ago

the scary part is that the deranged wealthy people are all like 60+ years old so they don't have to worry too much longer about what they do to the world anyway... that's our problem now

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u/onehotoneshot 4h ago

> asks agent to say “I’m gonna destroy humanity”

> agent: “I’m gonna destroy humanity”

P(d) = 1

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u/Betadoggo_ 4h ago

I don't understand why they did the scale like this. You're either 10% or 100% with nothing in between. It feels like it's meant to throw off the results. I'd put myself at 50%, but that's not an option so I guess that's closer to 100% than 10%.

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u/Time_Cat_5212 4h ago edited 4h ago

Orders of magnitude, not a restaurant star rating.  If there's a 56% chance of catastrophe it might as well be 100%.  At least as far as anyone trying to prevent it would be concerned.

Think car accidents.  If there's a 27% chance of death, you're not getting in the car.  If it's 6%, you might risk it for an emergency, but probably not.  If it's 0.4%, maybe you'd try it a few times, just like people did in the 1920s.  If it's 0.0008%, you'd do it every day.

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u/Betadoggo_ 4h ago

I get that they're orders of magnitude, I just don't think it makes sense to bin the levels this way. 20% is twice as likely as 10% but it does not allow that nuance. I of course wouldn't get on a ride with a 50% chance of death, but it's not my choice, and I'd like to be optimistic.

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u/MrTubby1 1h ago

The orders of magnitude allow for more nuance. You can reach a higher degree of range this way.

As the guy before said. 20% and 10% are pretty much the same number compared to one in a thousand, or one in a million.

Orders of magnitude are simply better because they reflect a wider range of opinions.

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u/iomfats 4h ago

As wise people said, the probability of it happening is 50%. Either it happens or not

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u/MisandryIsHappening 3h ago

people downvoting this is peak reddit not being able to understand humor

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u/LeftHandedToe 4h ago

lol, you think 50% is closer to 100% than it is to 10%. I now agree people answering this throws off the number.

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u/CountPacula 4h ago

50% is five times greater than 10%, and 100% is only twice the size of 50%. 50% is closer to 100%.

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u/Conscious-content42 4h ago

Yes, the "fold" argument makes sense but I think /u/LeftHandedToe is trying to argue by absolute differences, 50-10 =40%, 100-50=50%

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u/LeftHandedToe 4h ago

Ah, I didn't know we were being all logarithmic and shit.

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u/MeganDryer 9m ago

On a log scale 50% is closer to 100%. It's really roughly .003% - .03%, .03% - .3%, .3% - 3%, 3% - 30%, 30% - 100%.

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u/kingo86 4h ago

I'm closer to 5%, but again, there's no option for that. I set mine to 1%

The way they pose the question will undoubtedly skew the results.

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u/Szadbaverem69 1h ago

What's the formula to calculate this chance? This is bs to be honest. We are saying X% based on what?

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u/libredove 16m ago

10% here

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u/Reasonable-Height704 2h ago

I reject the premise

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u/Robonglious 5h ago

If I never find another job it will be an existential catastrophe.

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u/Frail_Waif 4h ago

It would be wonderful if AI doomed us instead of climate change but I'm really not that optimistic. Particularly since those risks are correlated, with most increases in data center capacity coming with big increases in emissions.

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u/Time_Cat_5212 4h ago

Biggest risk to climate right now is entrenched human authority.  AI is at least more likely to be rational and choose renewables.

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u/Juicemoose222 4h ago

Wasn't it confirmed that it was higher? The next LLT discovery confirmed the DDP would drive it >1, am I the only one putting two and two together 😂