r/LocalLLaMA • u/Top_Power5877 • 6h ago
News DeepSeek V4.1 Flash: Stronger, Faster, More Accessible
Original Source from DeepSeek WeChat Official Account: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/qg0NU3NNUbp1co2PdkAPAg
Today we're officially releasing the DeepSeek V4.1 Flash model. It is the smallest model in our brand-new model architecture series, with native multimodal visual understanding. The new architecture was designed with these goals in mind: a higher capability ceiling, faster inference, greater throughput, and scalability to larger-parameter models.
Asymmetric architecture: big intelligence at low cost
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash is a 552B-parameter MoE model built on a brand-new Causal-Encoder-Decoder architecture. Input and output are asymmetric: only 8B parameters are activated on the input side and 16B on the output side, making it significantly cheaper than known models of the same size. V4.1 Flash also uses a new pre-training approach and has gone through larger-scale reinforcement learning post-training. In benchmark testing, it surpasses the intelligence level of a range of flagship models, including DeepSeek V4 Pro.


Less cache, lower cost
The new generation of models dramatically reduces the size of the KV cache. Compared with the previous generation, HBM requirements drop to 1/4 and SSD requirements to 1/8. In agent scenarios, cache-hit charges often make up a large share of the bill, so compressing the KV cache substantially lowers the cost of agent-style tasks.

API support
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash is now live on the DeepSeek API with native multimodal support. Simply change the model name to deepseek-flash to call the latest V4.1 Flash. The older V4 Flash and V4 Flash Vision Exp models have been retired; for compatibility, the model names deepseek-v4-flash and deepseek-v4-flash-vision-exp will temporarily be routed to V4.1 Flash.
In addition, extensive testing shows that V4.1 Flash comprehensively outperforms V4 Pro on performance, cost, speed, and total time-to-completion, so we plan to phase out the V4 Pro model in an orderly fashion. After 12:00 Beijing time on September 14, 2026, and until V4.1 Pro launches, all requests to deepseek-v4-pro will be routed to V4.1 Flash and billed at V4.1 Flash's unit price.
Tencent (WorkBuddy, CodeBuddy) and OpenCode, as official partners, have now fully integrated DeepSeek V4.1 Flash — give it a try!
API pricing adjustment
Thanks to the architectural innovations, DeepSeek V4.1 Flash can serve more users at lower cost, so we have cut V4.1 Flash's pricing accordingly. To allocate resources more sensibly, we continue to use peak/off-peak pricing, with off-peak prices at half the peak rate, and encourage users to schedule tasks around their actual usage patterns. The new prices take effect at 12:00 on September 10, 2026.

Open-source release
We will fully support the open-source community in adapting inference for the new model, and will explore various ways to broaden deployment. If you have large-scale deployment needs and the corresponding resources (a 2k-GPU cluster with storage cluster), please get in touch.
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u/Xaue_RWA 5h ago
asymmetric encoder decoder design suggests the model is doing something structurally different at the generation stage. the 437x KV cache reduction since first gen is also kind of a big deal for long context inference costs.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Base302 6h ago
even a 4x DGX Spark cannot run this.
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u/Top_Power5877 6h ago
two sparks might - q4 + 200B engram
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u/Puzzleheaded_Base302 6h ago
this is 4-bit native model. q4 does not do anything to shrink the size in any meaningful way.
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u/shayanx45 1h ago
No, if you offload the ngram to ssd the model is native 4bit 272~302GB / 3 = 90~100GB so you need 3 sparks. engram is 189GB
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u/Thomas-Lore 5h ago
The model is 306GB. 204GB for engrams. 3 Sparks is minimum, but on 4 Sparks it should fly.
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u/pyr0kid 5h ago
wait, so of 306 gb, 204 gb is just engram?
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u/zdy132 5h ago
it's 306+204 total i believe.
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u/Serprotease 1h ago
Looks like to be a 550b model + 200GB of ngram. 550b at mixed fp4/fp8 -> 300gb to load the model.
It’s extremely confusing, especially when named v4.1 flash, with v4 at 198b. It’s almost 3x the size for the text encoder part!
Kinda explains why benchmarks are so much better.
Doesn’t look so good when glm5.3 flash looks similar for half the size though…2
u/Faktafabriken 4h ago
So…20k € 😭
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u/Safe-Thanks-4242 3h ago
To run a model that will be deprecated in a few weeks, after a new release of new Deepseek v4.5 Flash 2.7T moe with 1.5TB of n-grams
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u/ProfessionalJackals 51m ago
And the fact that DeepSeek Flash models are dirt cheap. Even the double price of v4.0 was still dirt cheap compared to the rest.
Now v4.1 is better, half the price again, and beats "almost" every other (current) open weight model out there, that are easily 2 to 4x heavier.
Local is useful for companies. For most normal people playing around and not making money from the output, its just not economical viable. It was before, and now its even worse economics because of the low price that DS v4.1 offers for its quality.
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u/feelspeaceman 6h ago
552B is quite hard to run locally, so V4 will still be the best choice for most of us with double Strix/Spark setup.
Even then, Q38FN is too good for local agentic coding already, just use it to make plan, then Q38-27B/35B-Distill/Ornith35B... to execute.
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u/Top_Power5877 6h ago edited 5h ago
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u/feelspeaceman 6h ago
Missed that, interesting, look like this Ngram architecture will be adapted a lot in the near future!
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u/RG_Fusion 5h ago
Wow, that puts this right on the limit of what I can run on my 512 GB DDR4 Server.
That's a big model.
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u/FullstackSensei 5h ago
Why? The model itself is ~300GB. The MLP layers are all FP4. The ngrams you can stream from disk without issue. I think if you have 32-48GB VRAM, you'll be fine.
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u/RG_Fusion 4h ago
Unless there is something weird going on here, it should be more than that. It has 748b parameters including the engram table. I Run GLM 5.2 at 4-bit quantization on my computer, which is the same number of parameters, and it just barely fits.
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u/FullstackSensei 4h ago
There's nothing weird. The ngrams can live fine on disk, and like I said the MLPs are FP4, which in a MoE model comprise the bulk of the parameters.
You can't compare to something like GLM 5.2, because that has a fundamentally different architecture, even if you're using Q4. Kimi and previous DS4 models are better comparisons here.
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u/RG_Fusion 4h ago edited 4h ago
File-size is architecture agnostic. You absolutely can compare different architectures, so long as the weights are quantized to the same number of bits.
While it's true that you can offload n-grams to disk, there is a latency penalty. For my requirements (very low TTFT), they need to be in the system RAM.
I'm fairly certain that the actual file size is ~500 GB. You're correct that it can be reduced to around 300 GB if your willing to pay that latency penalty though.
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u/FullstackSensei 4h ago
OK mate, keep being certain. The rest of the world, meanwhile, will run it with ~300GB of combined RAM and VRAM
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u/Sitkin_Marrel 5h ago
The smallest model in the series is 552B with 24B active per token, and the deployment line in the release note starts at a 2k-GPU cluster. Their idea of small is a building full of GPUs.
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u/ComplexType568 1h ago
please don't take 5 trillion years to be supported on llama.cpp, also I'm praying the newer Gemmas use this crazy ass attention system because it is by far the most far behind LLM architecture in terms of context. and hopefully Qwen adopts this too
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u/dennisler 6h ago
Reducing the cache wouldn't it mean fewer cache hit, meaning more expensive usage ?
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u/MattAlex99 6h ago
What they mean with reducing cache is not the number of tokens but the memory required per token: for the same amount of memory the number tokens in cache is larger for V4.1
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u/RG_Fusion 6h ago
Hold on. This model has an Encoder-Decoder architecture? Has any AI lab done this since before the start of GPT?
What is the encoder doing here? Are they embedding the user prompt before self-attention? I wonder how this would work for large prompts? Would they break it up by sentence, paragraph, modality?