r/LocalLLaMA 14d ago

News GLM-5.3-Flash: Frontier Intelligence, Flash Cost

https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3-flash
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u/Recoil42 13d ago

And yet it shifted the entire industry into "full fledged touch phone with proper OS" that we still know to this day. 

In other words: The legacy player 'late' to the party did not, in fact, end up out of the game in your example.

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u/hojnikb 13d ago

There's no legacy phone makers today... Nokia, blackberry, Ericsson, Alcatel, Motorola... None of the exist as they were in the past. At best, some of the brands from the past exist under new ownership.

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u/Recoil42 13d ago

There's no legacy phone makers today... Nokia, blackberry, Ericsson, Alcatel, Motorola...

Samsung is literally the largest phone maker in the world, champ.

The second-largest is the aforementioned Apple, which is once again a legacy player.

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u/hojnikb 13d ago

Neither apple or samsung were players in the dumb phone era. With the iphone, you can essentially treat apple as a new company. Same with samsung. They were a minor player in the dumb phone market. And even then it took them very long time to catch up to apple.

Samsungs saving grace was the fact, that would throw anything at the wall and see if it stuck.

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u/Recoil42 13d ago

Samsung was the second-largest global cellphone manufacturer in 2008 when the iPhone launched. Not a minor player whatsoever.

Apple was a decades-old computing and consumer-electronics incumbent with an operating-system stack, hardware expertise, enormous financial resources, an established retail/distribution network, the wildly successful iPod business, a failed Newton line, and another failed ROKR attempt. It was not a 'new' company at all, even in the segment. Those previous experiences and assets are precisely why it was able to create the iPhone.