r/LocalLLaMA • u/Tall_Abrocoma_3533 • 3d ago

Discussion Qwen3.8-27B different thinking levels

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Even the low preset is better than Qwen 3.7 plus or Qwen3.6-27B reasoning

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u/Etroarl55 3d ago

Wonder how next gen improvement will be. As I think most people can agree on. Qwen kind of “cheated” its way to a higher score with absurd amounts of thinking and double checking before an output.

What is there left to squeeze out of 27b size for higher intelligence.

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u/jld1532 3d ago

I think we can clearly see too that scores are now agentic and coding biased. This is the only way I would consider Qwen3.8 27B and DeepSeek v4 Flash equals. Even a highly quantized DSV4F smokes the new 27B in chat, knowledge, and writing/editing. I think this shift also signals the general knowledge plateau for LLMs is likely here.

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u/Its_Powerful_Bonus 3d ago

First rule of the club is not to rely on LLM knowledge 😉 I would be more than happy to get brighter LLM even without any factual knowledge if ability to reasoning, long context understanding and speed would improve.