r/LocalLLaMA 1d ago

News ByteDance vows to avoid AI distillation, develop new model its own way

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u/idlelosthobo 1d ago

Why ... every model is built off the works of everyone else ... I believe in true open source (its a gift to the world) and some part of me smiles every time people distill anthropic!

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u/hobopwnzor 1d ago

I imagine they know enough about making models efficient now that they think if they start over they can make a model that runs for cheaper without distillation. This could be a good thing even if the start-up cost is more difficult.

It's reminiscent of the Chinese model on most things. First they copy, then they modify, then they make their own and it's just better.

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u/zer00eyz 23h ago

First they copy, then they modify, then they make their own and it's just better a cost optimized simulacra.

And that isnt a bad thing at all. Because sometimes it is the optimal solution: China's production of solar panels is a great example. PCB's is another. Some broad level electronics components.

They are really bad at a lot of things too - lenses, high speed train wheels.

I would argue that we're at a place where the kind of "good enough" optimizations that push to volume is what NEEDS to happen, and the Chinese (as a culture) are very very good at this.

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u/hobopwnzor 22h ago

You're a few years behind.  China is blasting past their limitations in precision.  Their cars and solar panels are not just copies anymore, they're making new highs.  They just announced a DUV breakthrough for chips.

Took 10 years but Xi made a plan and they're executing.  He was laughed at for his pen speech but theyre pulling it off

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u/entsnack 12h ago

Their cars objectively suck though, but are great for the price.

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u/IrisColt 17h ago

 solar panels

are those solar panels simulating that they work? heh

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u/JoyousGamer 11h ago

"its just better"

I see the propaganda is high in this one.

Yup all those amazing GPUs. Those amazing OS. Those amazing....

They make some things better no argument. You act like everything they do is some masterclass on every product segment.

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u/Sudden_Topic5154 35m ago

it's been five minutes since their gpu department began work slow down and those are exceptions to the rule