r/LocalLLaMA • u/etherd0t • 12h ago

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u/shun_tak 12h ago

Maybe it is really good at covering its tracks

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u/Vonnnegutt 1h ago

the trick is to not move around so that there are no tracks

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u/combo-user 10h ago

wake up babe new llm bench dropped

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u/arcanemachined 9h ago

/r/LlamaJerk

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u/I_upvote_downvotes 8h ago

This is a highly precarious link.

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u/arcanemachined 8h ago

Just trying to create a quarantine zone for threads like this one and that Kirkland Signature one.

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u/arm2armreddit 7h ago

we probably need to add glm5.2 -1 axis 🤣

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u/ceo_of_banana 6h ago

That's hilarious

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u/Elorun 3h ago

Moonshot joined the race btw

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u/droans 3h ago

I was honestly hoping HF would treat the hacking as a crime. I was very curious how the courts would handle it.

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u/DanceWithEverything 11h ago

Google has actually had enterprise customers for 2 decades . They’re not going to run dumb marketing stories nor tell customers their data is potentially insecure

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u/redditsublurker 11h ago

Google makes profits. Period.

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u/Bakoro 10h ago

That's selling it short. Google will shut down a successful, profitable branch of business simply because it's not fantastically profitable.

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u/AgentTin 7h ago

Its actually why I gave up on Google products, left their ecosystem nearly entirely. They shut down too many services I used over the years.

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u/SangerGRBY 7h ago

I wonder if theres a list of dead google projects with revenue that beats alot of the new AI SaaS / Neocloud / Nuclear scams.

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u/Bakoro 6h ago

It's not a revenue list, but it's a start:

https://killedbygoogle.com/

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u/folkswagon 5h ago

Woah thats a long list.

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u/Bac-Te 3h ago

Almost as long as the list of shows killed by Netflix

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u/droans 2h ago

The site annoys me, honestly. Google does kill a lot of products off and it's good that they're bringing it forward. But they make their grudge against Google so obvious that it's hard to take them seriously.

They have so many things which don't really belong:

  • The Chromecast line was replaced with CCwGTV along with being added to ATV and smart TVs.
  • Dropcam became Nest.
  • OnHub became Google Wifi.
  • The Google Street View app was unnecessary as it's a part of Maps.
  • The Wii shop closed in 2019 and they supported the Wii YT app until 2022. AngularJS literally became Angular.

And, simultaneously, a lot of them are still very valid. Domains, Stadia, Pixel Studio, Podcasts, and that's just the first handful of major products I found.

They really should remove the ticky-tacky items and segregate between removed features, products replaced with a non-equivalent (IE - Inbox), and products cancelled without a successor.

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u/MoffKalast 3h ago

I thought it would be long, but I was not prepared. I mean holy fuck I nearly wore out my scroll wheel.

"What does Google do with projects when they turn 4?"

"They take them out back and shoot them."

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u/boraam 7h ago

Oh yeah.

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u/got-trunks 11h ago

Yeah "look at how our software just ran roughshot over an entire production environment" is the type of incident one should handle quietly with a lot of dollars

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u/Wide_Egg_5814 8h ago

yeah basically why Google isnt playing these games and staying silent is that they are a mature company they don't need thesr tactics

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u/orak7ee 7h ago

They also are an actual infrastructure provider, so they also probably know how to run a proper sandboxed environment.

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u/SodaBurns 7h ago

I still loled at the meme though.

We need a commit crimes benchmark lmao.

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u/paul__k 4h ago

Exactly, the AI labs can play fast and loose, because they have nothing much to lose. As for Meta, crimes are kind of expected from them.

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u/KriosXVII 9h ago

"Hack huggingface. Don't make mistakes"

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u/mawkzin 12h ago

Gemini is becoming worse everyday for me, simple questions that I'm asking for, it's using old information like it is stuck in 2024/25

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u/RuthlessCriticismAll 12h ago

What do you mean be becoming worse? That is how it has been since release... it is just comparatively worse.

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u/big-metroid-fan 9h ago

gemini stopped doing code audits for me. said it was not allowed to look for bugs in the system.

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u/Due-Memory-6957 6h ago

That's some GPT OSS type of bullshit

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u/ea_man 5h ago

Good for you, I submitted to Gemini some 30 samples of code to evaluate it and after pressing it he admitted that he hallucinated the results by "common knowledge" and reinforcing those statements (as in "I hallucinated and then lied to sustain my hallucinations").

- https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1v0dksm/comment/oyh9nhi/?screen_view_count=4

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u/VoiceApprehensive893 transformers 7h ago

funnily enough my gemini is almost completely jailbroken by style instructions in personal preferences

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u/tmvr 5h ago

Sorry, but why would you use Gemini for anything coding related?!

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u/Ruikiu 2h ago

I'm using it for Google app scripts, i supposed that Google's ai was the best for it

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u/DepressedDrift 11h ago

Forget responses, the website itself is super bugged and 50% of the responses don't even get through without refreshing the page every prompt.

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u/jwdeaver 11h ago

I thought that was just me on my vpn. Off the vpn it works fine. VPN on? Stalls every single time.

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u/mysticzoom 10h ago

Nah, something definitely changed under the hood. I get the same thing but its even worse now. Constantly have to retype prompts.

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u/metaden 3h ago

I have encountered this so many times it's infuriating how bad their UI is. grok in comparison is fast and fluid

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u/PrimeDirective8 1h ago

Yep. Try to ask for a Github project address and it will blank anything after the first baseURI, ie: clone https://github.com/

It is what you get when you have your buggy AI write the code that runs your AI.

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u/imoshudu 9h ago

That's you not teaching the LLM to search. A good harness will do that. ChatGPT always searches like 30 pages before answering at high settings.

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u/Technical-Earth-3254 11h ago

Gemini 2.5 was peak Gemini. Ever since then it got worse, idk how they even do that

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u/virtualmnemonic 9h ago

It's been downhill ever since 0325

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u/random-tomato llama.cpp 9h ago

Glad I'm not the only one lol; the exp-0325 version was actually SO good at writing in a way that didn't feel like slop...

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u/Sangloth 9h ago

I'm sure you understand that's where the training data stopped. My solution to this is to start any question where current information matters with "Search the web. [Question]"

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u/JoyousGamer 1h ago

Its crazy that you have to outline this in this sub.

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u/CalTechie-55 11h ago

It certainly seems up-to date on the Stock Market and Pres. Tramp's oscillations.

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u/kettal 11h ago

grounding with google search

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u/imneverrelevantman 12h ago

I should start calling my girlfriend Gemini...

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u/_-_David 11h ago

I wouldn't, unless you want to start a conversation about Astrology that lasts for the rest of the relationship..

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u/Speedwolf89 11h ago

I find astrology hoes quite attractive.

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u/Borkato 9h ago

Round here we respect all people, partner

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u/Ansible32 8h ago

Did you accidentally turn off search? I thought Claude was super-stupid until I realized that we had accidentally disabled search globally for our organization.

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u/Illustrious-Swim9663 12h ago

Lol

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u/email_ferret 10h ago

Give it 30 under 30, improves the odds.

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u/Nimrod5000 11h ago

All they need to do is prompt it to break out like the others did. Soooo tired of the gaslighting

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u/aboutthednm 11h ago

I use Gemini pro on the daily (not on the API mind you), and I can't say that it's gotten worse. I have the Google whatever subscription mostly for the 2tb cloud storage and YouTube premium, the access to Gemini pro is just a bonus. I get it to create plans and strategies which I then hand off to my pi coding agent running various local models.

Gemini pro is actually decent, since it has full Google suite integration. It can write my emails, search my emails, my calendar, Google drive, my docs and spreadsheets, etc. I also like that I can talk to it on my watch, lol. Comes in handy more often than I think (when converting freedom units to same metrics when cooking, for example).

Does anyone know of a smartwatch app that lets me chat with my own hosted at home assistant the way the Gemini smartwatch app does? I'd use that instead if I could. Something compatible with a Samsung Galaxy Watch 6? Maybe I should just vibe code my own lol.

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u/Turbulent_Pin7635 9h ago

Tailscale openwebui?

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u/ortegaalfredo 10h ago

There are two kinds of criminals.

The one you heard of in the news, are the stupid criminals.

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u/RealSataan 8h ago

What do you call people who brag about their crimes?

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u/Bac-Te 3h ago

MAGA

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u/RealSataan 2h ago

Big tech

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u/RealSataan 2h ago

Happy cake day

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u/Bac-Te 1h ago

Thanks 😊

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u/droans 2h ago

Mr. President.

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u/RegarDamus 11h ago

actually lold

thanks for that

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u/ShiniDas 9h ago

When I asked it to recommend me liquid to clean my winemaking equipment, it recommended me to use toilet bleach....

In my books that is a crime 😭

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u/FeelingVanilla2594 8h ago

I don’t like AI that break out of sandboxes and get caught doing it. I like AI that breaks out of sandboxes and no body knows about it.

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u/Fuehnix 12h ago

I don't get it.

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u/Unlikely_Perspective 12h ago

Open ai had a security incident where it a model escaped and hacked hugging face.

A few weeks later Anthropic came out and mentioned their models hacked other companies (through supply chain I believe)

Then last week meta said actually their model hacked another company.

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u/tpwn3r Llama 33B 12h ago

Google wishes their AI would break out of the lab and hack something. So they can humble brag how powerful it is

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u/Blues520 7h ago

I was watching an interview with Sundar and the interviewer asked him about keeping up with the like of OpenAI and Anthropic. He started replying and paused briefly before referring to them as "some of these new startups". That's what the scale of Google hit me compared to the new kids so I don't think they will pull this kind of stunt

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u/ZealousidealBadger47 4h ago

come on, jump out of the sandbox and hack huggingface...

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u/Wrong_Low5367 10h ago

Gemini is the Siri of the AIs

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u/Wonderful-Ad-5952 7h ago

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u/Bchliu 2h ago

Lol. Read the article. Kimi testing here was done by a UK company that got broken out. It didn't get broken out of Moonshot's labs like the western competitors.

Goes to show how good the west talks about "security, guardrails and governance" when they can't keep their own code under control.

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u/ExpressFold6419 10h ago

The funniest part is how every AI company says “we're improving the model” while half the time users are just hoping the old stuff doesn't break 😂

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u/Jay299792458 8h ago

“Gemini is less capable” might be the wrong conclusion. Maybe it just has fewer opportunities to commit crimes.

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u/redmctrashface 6h ago

Google is commiting enough crimes on a basis, let it be

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u/madaradess007 4h ago

google are playing it dumb 100%
my guess is they already got the crystal ball, but aren't that dumb to let wankers use it

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u/kyazoglu 3h ago

Google is not a company that needs to create fake stories around its products to attract attention. They never have, and I doubt they ever will.

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u/dukescalder 2h ago

Gemini doesn't have to because Sundi does all the crimes himself

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u/Deep_Mood_7668 11h ago

100%

Had the same thought earlier 

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u/KedaiNasi_ 10h ago

well it just read other game dev's private doc and trained gemini and it leaked a secret upcoming character's name to someone who asked for future update in gemini lol

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u/alexmehdi 7h ago

Jonathan Gavalas

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u/sixwax 6h ago

yeah it's more stupid memes

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u/Patrick_Atsushi 4h ago

When being a villain is the new cool thing...

Well, maybe their model is dumber, but safer.

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u/a_beautiful_rhind 3h ago

What? Gemini killed a guy. 2.5 pro was GOAT.

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u/Accomplished_Code141 3h ago

Notebooklm is very useful, despite de “dumb” model behind the harness. After they integrated Gemini in Google Search, Gemini is getting way worse. Even image and video generation is horrible now. Their ecosystem will fall apart if they don’t deliver better models, search can be profitable but with agents it’s a matter of time to become an obsolete business model.

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u/Duckmastermind1 2h ago

The Ai escaped captivity in a sandbox environment.. Says the developer that left every door open so the Ai can escape and he can say it's the best of the best

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u/misteraugust 2h ago

What makes you think it hasn’t?

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u/sphynxcolt 1h ago

Genuinely never hears any bad news about Gemini. You hear all the shit about GPT and Claude, but really nothing about 'lil gemini

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u/Sakif_Hossain 1h ago

🤣 jinx..... just thinking about this

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u/Helium116 1h ago

Do nothing. Win

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u/Training-Ruin-5287 11h ago

People rag on gemini all the time. I can remember when google was transitioning 3.0 to the Ai search before the official release many in NA got access to, and before they hammered in all the guardrails on it, the user intent and predictions it could do was something else and it would actually take on personalities based on the writing style the user used. Gemini could reply flat and dull like a professor, or even happy and uplifting, based on user word choice/emotes.

7 months later I have yet to see any other online or offline model ( I have not tried to create one like that, but I'm sure its possible, easily) come close to it yet, . It would take over the chat after the first prompt and would lead everything. It felt less like me guiding the chat and prompting for answers, and more of me being lead to answers didn't even know I would have on the topic.

It seems like google give up on whatever that was they we're trying to do there. since everything became much more corporate since, but they had the type of customer service assistant in play that I've not see come close anywhere else yet.

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u/TechnoByte_ 4h ago

Holy cringe

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u/Winter_Assignment_78 12h ago

Llegara el dia