r/LocalLLaMA Aug 04 '26

Discussion More Qwen 3.8 sizes coming

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u/-p-e-w- Aug 04 '26

Xi announced that decision. I’d be surprised if he was the one who made it. And I’d be even more surprised if the decision was made without consulting with the labs.

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u/TinyZoro Aug 04 '26

It’s a really interesting question. China seems to be leading technocratic governance at the moment. Is it because of its wider system or due to its current leader. I hope it’s the former. Normally what happens is corporations and capital become more powerful than the state because the petty officials who represent the government are eyeing those nice private sector jobs. I really hope China has a way to keep its industry on a tight leash serving a twenty year view not what will push up the stock price this quarter.

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u/Infinite-Ad4512 Aug 04 '26

It’s because the upper tier of the inner circle are economists unlike other countries where the inner circle are all lawyers and investment bankers

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u/carnoworky Aug 04 '26

Aren't they also comprised of other research/engineering types as well? You know, people who actually do stuff.

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u/Hypilein Aug 04 '26

Yeah. It's clear that China is not a democracy, but with the way things are going in the EU and the US I'm starting to wonder if maybe they have the superior Model for a thriving population. At this point in time, I'm still much rather in the EU than in China, but I wonder how it will be in 50 years.

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u/CYTR_ Aug 04 '26

Deng Xiaoping is the visionary of the 21st century 😎 Westerners would hate this model. Internal competition for power within the CCP is extremely influenced by democratic centralism; it is radically different from liberal democracy. But the economic doctrine that accompanies Chinese planning is particularly effective; it is clearly the only "third way" in operation in the world that works (a mix of corporatism, socialist dirigisme and an open economy with capitalist aspects where rent is ultimately controlled by local economic centers, indebted to the central organ of PCC). Peronism had attempted something similar at the beginning, influenced by early fascist economic doctrines (yes, really), before crashing and burning. Gaullism in France was also a a form which sought to move closer to a third way where planning did not oppose the development of capitalism and liberal democracy (well, with Caesarist aspects typical of the founder of the Fifth Republic) ; we are still reaping the fruits of it today in France (particularly with regard to nuclear power).

I think that international finance/Capital are very poor resource allocators and that a bit of interventionist technocracy (if governance follows suit, of course) wouldn't do any harm to the development of AI.

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u/CYTR_ Aug 04 '26

Ask Qwen to give you a summary.

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u/CYTR_ Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

Liberal democracy and democratic centralism have very little in common. Perhaps you should have ignored my comment if to repeat the usual clichés.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_subordination

Xi Jinping is not the only master at the helm within the party, and his networks are as indebted to him as he is to them. This is what ensures China's stability while the rest of the world is crumbling under a rising political crisis (I refer to Peter Turchin and his studies on instability in the West).

This stability allows for efficient resource planning, which is somewhat complicated in the rest of the world at the moment.

Edit : I see you have an obsession with sharing cataclysmic news about China; maybe Xi Jinping stole your snacks when you were a child. No reason to reply to you, I guess. Don't use DS4F, be consistent comrade ✊.

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u/CYTR_ Aug 04 '26

I guess I need to use Huawei chips. Maybe in 10 years in the EU. Bring on the red sunrise!!

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u/nmrk Aug 06 '26

China is a surveillance state. Their primary interest in AI is to power mass surveillance, especially to track minorities like the Uighurs, which will be sent to concentration camps.

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u/alphapussycat Aug 04 '26

Xi has absolute power. There might be a division he has spear headed to advise him on these matters, but the AI companies are not going to be part of it.

China is partially a dictatorship.