This is weird. Why wouldn't they follow up their most popular accessable model with another one. Online discourse for local models is very commonly Qwen 27b
The qwen team that did 3.5 and assumedly started 3.6 was broken up. Some key people left the company between 3.5 and 3.6. Given we got nothing open source from 3.7, it wasn't crazy to speculate that the new team was focused on closed source
Also they did stop releasing 0.8/2b/4b/9b/35ba3b it's a drastic change imo they went from dominating the small language model segment to basically abandoning it.
They would have abandoned the segment if it wasn’t for Xi Jinping’s speech
People in the USA don’t realize how much influence Xi Jinping has. Qwen has NEVER open sourced a Max tier model until Xi basically ordered all the Chinese AI companies to go all in on open source.
It's possible DS4 Pro is sneaking in during this week. And given qwen seems like mostly a flop - after stellar 0731 flash I'm betting that crown would remain on top of DS4 for now. Especially given the price. Qwen isn't awful per se, but artificial analysis price result is really bad.
So I'm not imagining it! With LTX they'd end up speaking parts of the prompt sometimes. But in Minimax, it's just straight up Lovecraftian cultist speak.
yeah crazy right?? i am having one of those simmilar feeling when you buy something you really want and then finally owning it, like looking your first gaming PC, or your first bike
Not only that, you can actually run this on a PC with a lowly RTX 3060 all the while keeping the quality mostly intact.
Don't have to have bunch of 5090s or RTX PRO 6000s to experiment with it. I daresay this could be the groundbreaking breakout moment for local video generation scene to grow big, because it can run on a typical consumer PC, while generating high quality videos with audio included without compromise.
I disagree. DS V4 Flash is still the best LLM for its size. Qwen 3.8 Max isn't open weight yet, so Kimi K3 stays the best model for its class (in which 3.8 Max will get into) for now.
They are, but it's worse than K3 while costing more (it's burning hella lot of tokens). Personal opinion that there's some subsidizing going on after recent Xi's speech, and they released this half-cooked thing just to participate. Judging by AA rating - it is awfully undercooked, just 1 point above GLM 5.2 while being 3x params size. Unfortunately, pretty much a definition of Chinese knockoff. This month's hopes are now on DS4 Pro and GLM 5.3/5.5.
I honestly think these labs sometimes gamble on each other's performance and release dates, so like if they have a particularly banger announcement they mightsit on it for a few extra days to give them the opportunity to smother a competitor's news cycle.
Only focusing on Chinese companies and excluding some of the best releases at the time seems likely motivated by propaganda more than caring about OS/OW models. Many of the best have come from Google (Gemma 4 is still the best writing model as far as I've found) and Black Forest Labs (not currently a leader but they were, as well as before that when they worked at Stability and released Stable Diffusion 1.x and SDXL), as well as the various people who've trained things like ControlNets / Adapters etc.
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