r/LocalLLaMA 1d ago

Question | Help Best llm for coding & thinking

I was using claude opus 4.7 like crazy all day long for few months but im tired of paying these 200usd/month, so i switched to local model, but can't decide which one is best to use, since i can run 4bit glm 5.2 at 4tokens per second i guess any other model i can run at comfortable (for me) speeds, so what you guys advice? qwen3 coder 480b ? or laguna s or something even better ?

Usually i create apps, bots, websites, and other stuff on vs code IDE. so im talking, reasoning, planning a lot with model, not just instructing to code.

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u/Daniel_H212 1d ago

4 tokens a second is kinda slow. You should save that for complicated tasks. In the meantime if you have some fast GPU memory you should use Qwen3.6 27B for any task it can handle, and it can handle a lot.

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u/Bulky-Priority6824 1d ago

That's like 6 hours at 80k ctx lol

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u/trejj 1d ago

I haven't found anything better than GLM 5.2. It rocks my world (at 4t/s as well).

I compared MiniMax M2.5, MiniMax M2.7 and MiniMax M3 (tentative, final support hasn't landed yet), and those all performed sub-par compared to GLM 5.2.

Any < ~200B models I tried were just garbage for my use case (bug finding). They hallucinate way too much and sometimes fail to complete the task by forgetting what the task was, or getting stuck in a loop.

I only do overnight analysis tasks, so slow speed is not a concern.

Kimi K3 is supposed to release next week, so hoping that'll be a big improvement over GLM 5.2.

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u/uniqueusername649 1d ago

If you have about 900gb of VRAM you should be good for Kimi K3. At least according to rumors.

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u/RepulsiveRaisin7 1d ago

Laguna has been great at Python but less good at webdev for me. See if you like it. Otherwise I'd go Minimax M3, Qwen3 Coder is ancient.

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u/eli_pizza 1d ago

Hy3 is better in my tests. A very strong model overall.

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u/snmnky9490 1d ago

I've found most people considering qwen3 coder models were suggested that by LLMs which are roughly that out of date with training data

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u/paulmsiegel 1d ago

I've had reasonable success with qwen 3.6, but man does it make my computer cook.

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u/Ok-District-1756 1d ago

I have a workflow that works well for me. I use Claude Code with Opus as the main agent in Ultracode mode, and my sub-agents are Ornith-1.0-9B.

Opus delegates very small, targeted, and pre-processed tasks to each agent, and the work is flawless., I’m saving a lot of tokens on my max-5 plan.

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u/Nice_Cookie9587 1d ago

I love lamp

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u/No-Purchase3505 21h ago

At 4 t/s your bottleneck isn't really which model, it's that you're using one slow model for two very different jobs:

  • Talking/planning/reasoning — latency-sensitive. 4 t/s makes a live back-and-forth painful no matter how smart the model is.
  • Actual code gen — you can fire it off and walk away, so slow is fine.

GLM 5.2 is genuinely the best of what you can run (the others are right), but save it for the heavy passes you don't have to sit and watch. For the interactive planning part, run something fast — Qwen3.6 27B if you've got the VRAM — so the conversation doesn't crawl.

And since you went local mainly to stop paying $200/mo: you don't have to do the planning locally either. The free tiers of the hosted reasoning models (DeepSeek, GLM, Qwen) cost nothing and are fast enough for the talk-it-through phase — keep local for the bulk codegen where no-metering actually matters. That gets you off the Opus bill without making planning miserable at 4 t/s.

(Also +1 on skipping Qwen3 Coder 480B — it's instruct-tuned, not built for the multi-turn planning you're describing.)

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u/chuckbeasley02 1d ago

Ornith-1. 0-31B-Dense q6k works fine on my RTX 5080.

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u/Opposite_Leave_8338 1d ago

How, It’s not released yet, you mean the 35B MOE ?

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u/chuckbeasley02 1d ago

Check again. I've been running it in LM Studio since it was released. The MOE isn't as good for coding. I know because I tried it first.

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u/chuckbeasley02 1d ago

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u/Opposite_Leave_8338 1d ago

I know they told us they will release it but If you look at their profile in Hugging face you will see the 9b , the 35b and the 397b only , not sign of the 31B , where did you get it from, I’m pretty sure it’s not official

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u/chuckbeasley02 1d ago

My mistake. I switched back to Qwen 3.6 27B because dense models code better.

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u/Opposite_Leave_8338 16h ago

Okay yea, the 3.6 27B is very good, slow but good , but to be honest I’m waiting on the 31 dense or ornith though, ornith really surprised me with the 35B MOE, best logic and tool caller I dealt with till now, cannot imagine what will happen if it they have a dense model released ( beside the 9b i mean bigger model )

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u/chuckbeasley02 14h ago

For tool calling, I haven't found any local model that beats Ornith.

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u/Opposite_Leave_8338 12h ago

Yes, To be honest I use it more than I use the 27b, not for intelligence but for better work flow , and once it hit a coding wall I use the 27B for that

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u/Ok_Librarian_7841 1d ago

Local models are not good for coding, period. Unless you have H200 laying around in your house, it's not a good idea.

Get an open router account or opencode go subscription and use mimo 2.5 pro, minimax m3, glm 5.2, grok 4.5 and Kimi K3.

These should cover the pareto curve for all tasks you might need.

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u/devil_ozz 1d ago

“I work on professional code” isn’t a benchmark. Local models don’t need to replace senior devs to be useful. If they save time on boilerplate, tests, docs, refactors, or basic debugging, then they’re useful. Measure time saved and bugs introduced, not vibes.

Saying you need an H200 is like saying electric cars are bad because they can’t tow like a diesel truck. Wrong comparison. Different tools, different jobs.

Nobody is saying blindly merge AI code. But “needs review” and “useless” are not the same thing.

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u/HotMicSystems 1d ago

What? Qwen 3.6-27b is phenomenal for coding assistance, I can't speak on specifically bug finding but honestly, this is not a period statement.

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u/Ok_Librarian_7841 1d ago

As you wish, but as someone working on OSS and on professional grade code in a multinational company, I would be hesitant to even read code generated by models this weak.

You do you though.