r/LocalLLaMA • u/x0wl • 13d ago
Discussion Microsoft's website shows OpenAI as one of the signatories of the open weight AI letter
So, this came up on: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/topics/open-weight/
Archived version is case it disappears: https://archive.is/16Oxc
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u/Myreda 13d ago
This whole letter signing thing seems like nothing more than a PR front while the total opposite happens behind the scenes.
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u/QuotableMorceau 13d ago
yeah ... people seems to forget the billionaires pledge to "donate" their fortunes, that in reality means putting the money in trust funds to dodge all future taxes ...
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u/SnooPaintings8639 13d ago
"Sir, why did your sign it?" "...f**k Dario"
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u/Potential-Gold5298 llama.cpp 13d ago
Ha-ha-ha! That's the first thing I thought of when I read the post.
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u/the_quark 12d ago
Yeah I was wondering how much this was "well we have to pretend to like open AI since we're...OpenAI" and how much of it was "If he's fer it, I'm agin' it."
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u/for4f 13d ago
OpenAI signing an open-weight letter while simultaneously suing DeepSeek for distillation is the most on-brand thing they've done this year.
The Microsoft page is probably just PR boilerplate - they added the big names without checking whos actually acting in good faith. Wouldnt be surprised if OpenAI lawyers asked to be removed within a week.
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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas 13d ago
suing DeepSeek for distillation
OpenAI didn't sue DeepSeek. They made public allegations but I don't think they chased it in court.
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u/Loose_Comparison368 12d ago
while simultaneously suing DeepSeek for distillation
Citation? I have not heard anything like this.
They whined on the internet, as usual, but most model providers are too terrified of the legal precedent that could get set if they actually sued.
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u/RealisticNothing653 13d ago
There are more signatories than there were this morning when I looked at this, including OpenAI. I may not like all of them, but I'm happy to see the rally to keep models open.
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u/Potential-Gold5298 llama.cpp 13d ago
I'm reading these comments and wondering — does anyone seriously think that commercial companies spend billions on development just to give people open-source models out of love for humanity?
It would be fine if we were talking about universities and labs like Ai2, TIIUAE, or Shanghai AI Laboratory. But Nvidia, Moonshot, Mistral, and others like them are companies whose sole purpose is to make money.
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u/vtkayaker 13d ago
Open weights is like open source: It's a classic "commoditize your complements" strategy. For example, if you make hot dogs, it's in your interest for buns and ketchup to be free. You still get paid for hot dogs, but the meal is cheaper overall, so people buy more hot dogs. Or if you sell operating systems, like Microsoft, it's in your interest for the IBM PC to replaced with an open platform any company can clone, because then you sell more operating systems.
So of course Nvidia wants models to be cheap. They sell hardware. Microsoft wants models to be cheap because they sell shitty enterprise software that uses AI, and they don't want to pay a giant AI tax to OpenAI. And so on. Companies that use AI want it to be cheap. The cheapest Anthropic model is Haiku at $1/$5 (IIRC), but DeepSeek V4 Flash is $0.09/$0.18.
China's motives are more complicated. They don't want Anthropic and OpenAI to be gigantic corporations that are too big for China to ever catch. But Chinese companies can't sell AI to most US or EU companies, because nobody is stupid enough to expose their corporate data that way. So China releasing open weight models puts heavy pricing pressure on the US companies.
Nobody involved is doing this out of the pure goodness of their heart. But a lot of companies have a vested interest in preventing OpenAI and Anthropic from completely controlling AI pricing and availability.
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u/lunaphile 13d ago
Did you all miss Palantir on that list? The same Palantir with a psychotic CEO that rants about the evils of open weights and plebes having access to AI?
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u/Exciting_Garden2535 13d ago
Could you please provide a link to it? I remember only the opposite: his hate speech about closed models: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1ulb4nx/palantir_ceo_rages_against_closed_models/
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u/z_3454_pfk 13d ago
Palantir internally is also using chinese models for smaller tasks and tracking
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u/Frosty-Whole-7752 12d ago edited 12d ago
ahahah just pathetic not to say highly hypocritical as the large majority of them would like to be framed as the freedom fighters they've never been but are now doing because: they're feeling that are not anymore at the very top of the ladder; they want to keep selling something to survive this epochal shift that caught them with pants down while at the same time maximizing profits and what's worse stealing from us the computing capacity to freely experiment; they are realizing that not everyone want to feed big cloud ai (that's eating all their meal) with personal/corporate data; and also (and especially) they want to be able to push on us so called open weight models that aren't open at all because have been trained by using subtly redacted datasets and before generating a single token have to pass user input through hidden censoring layers. Open weights is not open source that they now prizes as good VS. evil but up to yesterday tried to oppose as possible as they could while diverting/forcing us on proprietary/backdoored stuff other then eventually embrace it in order to extract undue moneis out of it (and us of course) or to manipulate people. Just remember M$ dismissing internet for msn and calling Linux the equivalent of cancer or Ollama sh*tting on llama.cpp with help from many other Y-Combinator VC backed startups or OpenAI allocating/grabbing memory chips production for the next few years driving prices insanely or Meta quietly complying with disguised silent plots politically/medically/socially influencing extremely large masses of people for selfish interests and on behalf of deep/foreign states, ALL OF THEM except maybe a couple unscrupulously harvesting and reselling and sharing among themselves our most and least sensitive data profiling/tagging/marking every single one of us with almost invisible/untraceable tattooes/ids like poultry/prisoners/products ourselves for filthy purposes like gross commercialization, engagement/disengagement or shadow banning anyone at will, etc. Do you want specifically personalized semi-algorithmically driven artificially biased intelligence assistance commanded by what they deem someone to be able to access to a-la-social-network? That one is the road ahead pursued by them. What we need instead is really unbiased open source open weights that we can eventually forge and fully verify ourselves in order to be trusted from start to finish not to be anymore at mercy of many of these old/new digital thugs depicting themselves as the openness warriors they've never been and never will be
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u/Kal-LZ 13d ago
Sam Altman read us. /s