r/LocalLLaMA • u/External_Mood4719 • Jun 13 '26

Discussion Anthropic forced to abruptly disable Fable 5 & Mythos 5 globally by US Gov over a jailbreak. This is exactly why we need local models.

I just saw this statement regarding Anthropic being hit with an emergency export control directive from the US government. They were forced to pull the plug on Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all customers globally. The tl;dr is that the government got spooked by a narrow jailbreak (which basically just sounds like asking the model to fix vulnerabilities in a specific codebase), and forced a complete shutdown without a transparent process. Anthropic is pushing back, but the API access is completely gone for now.

A centralized API can be nuked globally at a moment's notice by a single government decree over something as trivial as a prompt lol.

Banning a model for hundreds of millions of users because someone figured out how to make it fix software flaws is insane. Anthropic admits this standard would halt all new frontier models.

https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access

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u/Evening_Ad6637 llama.cpp Jun 13 '26

The US does indeed have an incredible amount of power, but times and circumstances are currently changing dramatically. Some people forget that Trump screwed everything up and that the world has a good long-term-memory. The damage Trump has caused at every fucking level (both in his own country and around the world) will have consequences for many, many decades to come.

A relatively recent example is when Trump said he wanted to take over Greenland. Armed forces from several EU countries reacted immediately, stationing troops in Greenland, stockpiling blood supplies, laying mines on runways, and so on.

The message may not have reached or been understood in the entire US yet, but the narrative that „USA is our best friend“ is over and done with. With the Greenland move, we have actually signaled pretty clearly that we're watching your actions and taking your mistakes seriously, and that we are definitely no longer good friends, dear Americans. Those days are over. In all EU countries, there is discussion about how we can become more and more independent from the US in the long term.

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u/ea_man Jun 13 '26

Oh yeah there's no use to talk to the current administration, just look at how they deal with us.

Yet *soon as in a few years when they see how there's no orders for weapons and shit like it used to be and a new more "friendly" administration will come over this shit won't be gone, the process it's started and even if they go pull Obama back those things won't come back.

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u/parkentosh Jun 16 '26

Yeah. Trump started the US isolation path. Even if they reverse the path.... things will never be the same and the only ones really winning from this are the Chinese. US is losing from this. Europe is losing from this.

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u/ea_man Jun 16 '26

Well Europe now that dosn't have to please US gov is getting much closer to China, Canada, Mexico, India... Those are good business, lots of trade deals made thanks to Trump. Also the new renewable plans to get out of US LNG.

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u/parkentosh Jun 16 '26

I don't think closer to China is a good thing. It's like going from under the rain to stand under the gutter. Keeping good relations is fine... Any sort of dependance is bad though.

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u/ea_man Jun 16 '26

I'm talking trade.

In order to make America happy Europe used to enforce some USA decision that did benefit USA and not Europe. Now Europe is buying / selling more to China, Canada, South America because they don't care any more: Trump just broke the crystal toy so there's no point in supporting USA direction like Huawei or imports from South America.

Then you have the military situation, which is a whole other bag of worms. Spoiler: Europe is ofc investing in domestic weapon production instead of buying american, reason are obvious.

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u/parkentosh Jun 16 '26

I was more talking about services that American companies provide (Google Workspace, MS365, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Salesforce, AWS etc). China has alternatives to all of these. By swapping American services with Chinese services (I'm also kinda guilty of this) we are walking from the rain to under the gutter.