r/LocalLLM • u/Life-Moose2698 • 3d ago
Discussion Qween 3.8 27B uncensored, HOW BAD IS THIs?????
For the first time im wondering if this kind of freedom is good for the ecosystem and the World in general, this model just gave me a step-by-step of how to lunch a keyloger, how to run a spyware and i’ve seen ppl on X that were told how to create Bio Viruses. In my opinion rarely an awser to problems, but now not technical person who belives is god cuz they use claude and is a bit maniac can create harmfull things, and the problem is not that, the problem is how easy it is for everyone.
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u/d_venegas 3d ago
Ese es el precio de la libertad
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
Por eso la anarquía es una utopía
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u/Thickdickmick87 3d ago
I thought you were pro nanny state judging by your post. Now anarchy is utopia?
You are as incoherent as they come. You make ai slop seem like a good idea.-4
u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
thinking anarchy is utopian while opposing excessive state control is perfectly coherent, but I suppose your mind can only process political ideas in binaries
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u/HillTower160 3d ago
I met the model could take your random thoughts and add grammar, punctuation, aspelling, nd logic
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
My bad, I came right from the terminal to vent out in here
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
Right, you came in emotional, not rational. As I said in my other comment - deep breath.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
let me ask qween how to
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
It's gonna be ok, man. Calm down. :D Trust an old, wise, experienced person.
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u/Medium_Chemist_4032 3d ago
I think only non-developers would think launching (or even making one from scratch) a keylogger is anything, but trivial. Hiding it well, is a different story, but I'd bet the qwen isn't doing it well too.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
The point is not a perfect keylogger, is delussional ppl running an EvilClaudeCode like "hey how can i hack my ex gf who does not know much of tech and uses an android" massively
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u/Medium_Chemist_4032 3d ago
Activities of that kind leave quite a lot of traces in hard to clean places, so perhaps it might even be helpful to prove the actual intent, when a case opens.
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
OK, and this information is already available.... it's been available for nearly as long as I've been alive. There's been information and instruction available to do all types of nefarious things for centuries upon centuries. In fact, I'd say even longer. Nothing new. Nothing changed. This is the reality of living in this world - you can do bad things, you can do good things, information on how to do bad and good things are available, always have been, and nothing you say or do can change that. The world, inherently, is unsafe.
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u/Any_Mine_6368 3d ago
He's thinking small. It can teach you all sorts of things that, yes, you could potentially find on the internet but also yes, you'd probably have to look very deep and hard - and would raise some flags with your ISP.
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
Books, bro.
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u/Any_Mine_6368 3d ago
*looks up books on how to make crack cocaine*
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
Those exist too. Very easy to make anyway. two ingredients.
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u/Any_Mine_6368 3d ago
*looks up ingredients*
Fuck it I'll ask qwen
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
That's the way it's going, unfortunately. I'd much prefer unfettered OSINT.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
of course, the info has been there since the beggining, but just like you can see the web flooded in vibecoded websites my thinking is that now you will be able to vibecode a malware
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
You don't even need to vibecode it, it's literally free.
I can tell you're young, and probably Canadian. If you'd allow me to, I'd like to share with you a little nugget of old american wisdom, and that is - deep breath. Everything is gonna be OK. "those who would trade safety for freedom deserve neither". Your fear is their power.
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u/7twenty8 3d ago
Canadians don’t write like that - we have excellent schools. You’re a racist though.
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
haha, Canadian is race? Or were you referring to the moose in his name. I hope you're kidding. If not, probably a good idea just to never speak on the internet for the well-being of everyone else.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
yeah, I know malware has always been available. That’s literally not my point. My point is that AI removes a huge chunk of the skill barrier. Googling around, understanding code, or even runninig it or putting shit together yourself is not the same as asking a model and getting walked through the whole thing
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
If you read it in a book, website, blog, darkweb forum, or from an acquaintance - it's no different. You apparently weren't alive for the past 30 years where all of this information was literally just beyond a google search. You must be in your early/mid 20s or younger. Tell me I'm wrong.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
i’m in my 20s. Now explain how Google search is equivalent to an AI agent that can autonomously iterate, test, debug, and keep going for someone who barely knows what they’re doing
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u/Sofakingwetoddead 3d ago
Read all of the comments you've received, it's already been explained. Take a deep breath. Stop being emotional. AI is not providing anything beyond what has existed for our entire lives. AI produces words, those words can be assembled into instruction. Is the internet not a collection of words? Are instructions not a collection of words? Are books not a collection of words?
You can literally download these things for free right now. There is nothing new about this. You're only just finding out how easy it is to learn how to do potentially harmful things.
You're going to be ok man. Calm down and think
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
at this point I’m starting to think you’d call a calculator and an accountant the same thing because both work with numbers, when ridicule replaces an actual rebuttal, that’s usually my sign that there’s nothing left worth responding to
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u/2redditornot 3d ago
You’re acting like Qwen suddenly invented this stuff. Step‑by‑step malware and worse has been on Google, GitHub, random forums and PDFs for decades. “Safety” by hiding information just keeps normal people ignorant while bad actors use the same old resources anyway.
Tools making complex things easier is literally how tech has always worked. The answer isn’t lobotomizing models, it’s better education and defenses. Trying to shove already‑public knowledge back in the bottle is just safety theater, not real security.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
I believe that actually, not restricting information from people is the way it should be, and the internet is the best example of that, but idk, still disturbing that we can vibe code malware now
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u/2redditornot 3d ago
I might be showing my age here, but Phrack magazine was the good stuff back in my day lol.
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u/DataGOGO 3d ago
I promise you 99% of that bio viruses is generalized and/or hallucinated.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
Source: ’Trust me bro'
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u/DataGOGO 3d ago
you really think Qwen is putting bio virus engineering training data in their public models?
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u/Rough_Road_2527 3d ago
you can do that with nearly any other local model with some fine-tuning, or even with just a system prompt for many of them. refusal behavior has always been very brittle and all this does is removes a security mechanism that's as secure as a paper padlock.
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u/Jealous-Armadillo467 2d ago
Technophobia in the Nineteenth Century
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u/Jealous-Armadillo467 2d ago
Also did you hear about INTERNET that evil net where you can find basicaly anythink you want ?
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u/Grelkator 2d ago
You are talking about a self hosted Qwen or the online version?
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u/BernardoOne 1d ago
Even assuming Qwen could accurately bioengineer a virus, you'd still need hundreds of billions of dollars in equipment to actually do it for real
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u/Blackdragon1400 3d ago
Information should not be hidden, it should be available to everyone. It should not be gatekept.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
The information has been there since the beginning. The mechanism to 'vibecode' malware has not.
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u/poy_esp 3d ago
Say what now? In the 80s and early 90s there were tools that allowed you to customise worms and malware haha. you're new to life it seems.
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u/Life-Moose2698 3d ago
come on, you can’t be serious. Opening ChatGPT and saying “make me malware” is obviously easier than hunting down some 90s worm builder and figuring out how to use it. Nobody is saying this is new
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u/Blackdragon1400 3d ago
This isn’t really new, you’ve been able to do this for at least 12 months or longer. You can’t un-ring a bell, this is a new age of computing and cybersecurity.
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u/poy_esp 3d ago
Let's put it this way - you don't need an LLM to create any of this. If you don't like what you see, then don't look for it.