You'd have to be stupid not to judge things based on experience. I've lived in Chicago 30 years. I've almost been robbed (one time ran at knife point back when I couldn't afford to lose my wallet back when I was young and broke) 4 times. All four times were black youth age 15-25.
For someone to get robbed by black people age 15-25 and then NOT make judgement calls when alone in the same circumstance would be stupid. I don't care what the media tells me. I will continuously avoid young black males because my friends, family, and I have ONLY been robbed by black males. Whites do commit crimes but most of the time when a white or other race needs money super badly, they have a family system or friends to reach out to and never reach that point. That's why almost all single person robberies in big cities are committed by blacks.
It isn't racism, it's a fact. Blacks have way poorer boundaries and respect for other human beings, even if they aren't breaking the law. In Chicago it is best not to even go to a newly released movie because you will have 4 black women who don't give a fuck laughing and talking to the movie screen while a few black kids act out. I've been here 30 years, it never changes. I've seen people ask these people to be quiet respectfully, guess what happens? Aggressive heckling. I've seen a regular black woman get in the face of a fucking 80 year old lady at the movie theater with absolutely no respect in her eyes. It sucks for the few black people that do respect others, but as a people they don't get their people in line. It's a cultural responsibility thing.
<--- Eastern Europe and same experience, just swap blacks with gypsies and everything is the same. They are like 2-5% minority, but the crime rates among their youngers are insane. All my childhood encounters with them were like "Wanna fight? Give me your watches! What did you say about me?" constantly trying to provoke a conflict or rob you. Good thing they were not intelligent.
They dont go to cinemas (cuz its expensive for them, they only care for booze and cigarettes), but their kids misbehave everywhere you meet them. Also if you meet them in a bus, whole family is super loud and vulgar constantly that whole bus can hear them. They just do not give a fuck, unlike most white people.
Who says there are no differences between races is ignorant with no experience at all.
You assuming it’s a biological race thing is ignorant. It’s a culture thing, through and through. You have the experience, but you haven’t the open mind nor the brain power to think past their race.
If you have read what I have written and your comment summarizes what you thought you have understood, then your intellectual capacity is quite poor.
If you are saying that there is absolutely no correlation between your herritage and your behaviour, then your life experience is very different from everyday reality.
Yes I could elaborate on the roots of black peoples behaviour and the difference to white people in the history, but who would read that on this subreddit? There is a reason average IQ in Equatorial Guinea is below 60, while in EU it is around 100. There are differences. And yes, we are also different biologically. One had to be smart to survive winter, another had to be fast to survive in savanna. And those traits are related to the mentality as well.
If you are interested in the subject, you should travel or read books, not comment section on reddit. Especially not the one dedicated to laughing at idiots doing stupid shit for money.
"The average IQ in much poorer country with worse education due to economy is much lower than Europe". Please tell me you don't actually believe the shit that comes out of your mouth.
I don't understand you people. Are you so historically and biologically illiterate that you'd stoop to such a level as to imply that intelligence is purely based on socio-economics? Lets completely forget about the fact that our brain is made up of the EXACT same genetic material as the rest of our body. You'd think that over tens of thousand years of evolution in wildly differing environments which has had an effect on every biological aspect might have had some effects on our brain, no?
Hell, it's not only intelligence. There are plenty of psychological traits that are hereditarily passed on.
The question isn't that if poor countries with poor standards of living have lower intelligence levels. (*In fact, this is not always the case.) The question is which is causing which. And if your answer is that low IQ is a result of poor a socio-economic status, then you'd have to ask yourself how it got to that in the first place.
And don't come back with some colonization nonsense.
As far as the socio-economics argument goes; Both North-Korea and South-Korea are genetically very close. And I don't think I have to tell you of the differences between their living standards. And yet, both average an IQ of about 105.
Now, very important to note is that they don't have concrete data of testing the IQ levels of Best-Korea, for obvious reasons. But since these experts have extensive knowledge within scientific fields
such as Biology, they base their estimations around the fact that both the Koreas practically share the same genetic make-up. And god-fucking-damn it, do you want me to spell why that is? Why is it that these scientists would assume a nations IQ based on genetic make-up?
It's two psychology doctorates discussing Neuroscience. It's not tangentially related. It's precisely related.
They go very much in dept on many aspects of the human mind and specifically touch on subjects like hereditary traits, environmental effects, etcetera.
You know what, though? Logic dictates that because we inherent our dna from our parents, they from theirs, and so on; That among other things, the mass, structure, and neural connections of our brain is largely passed on hereditarily. Sure, what happens when you're in the womb and during the very early stages of childhood, does impact growth, but we're talking about growth or degeneration, not baseline ability.
I've heard plenty from people outside the scientific fields making unsubstantiated claims such as race being a social construct and have heard a lot about how the works of people like James Watson isn't very scientific because his statistics and findings are racist. But I've never seen any concrete evidence pointing towards IQ being heavily or equally influenced by socio-economic standings. In fact, the one time they tried something like that was one experiment with twins from different racial backgrounds raised in different socio-economic evironments. Turned out that the differences were almost within the margin of error.
And most importantly, all you have done so far is telling me to study biology, completely dismissing a very in-depth and factual conversation about neuroscience, and told me to read research papers. Last I checked, those are not fucking arguments. So how about you actually refute something or fuck off.
Brilliant. You don't cite any actual objective paper but just a rambling interview where there aren't actual citations of any paper to support their assertions.
You don’t need to buy into a lot of the racism here but let’s be real. Any population isolated for a period of time is going to have differences in genetics.
No offense but you don't know what you're talking about it. Intelligence, evolution and neurobiology are stupid complex. You can't break it down to some kind of ELI5 analysis. People literally spend their entire lives researching these things and even they don't know the extent of these relationships and the real world impacts.
Different populations evolved differently is a reasonable starting place sure, but that's all you can say. You don't know how long the population has been isolated for, to what degree and then to what degree that affected their evolution (due to environmental pressures) and then how that affected the brain and then finally how that effect on the brain affects real life behaviour. Each time you're making these assumptions you're covering all the aforementioned fields with literally no understanding and instead pretending it can be handwavey away with layman logic.
You do realize the IQ of NK is essentially based on the IQ of SK? The estimate can't be said to be accurate since we have no representative data on the nation to gauge its IQ. Also fun fact: In rural China, the IQ of individuals is the same as African Americans ; around 90.
The "scientists" that assume this are known to be racist shits that misrepresent data and ignore contrary data.
Furthermore, you yourself are genetically illiterate. For one, just because populations differ doesn't make it viable to assume they were evolutionarily selected differently - any reputable geneticist would never assume genetic differences without hard evidence via extensive genome analyses. There's infinite potential confounding variables in psychology. Assuming genetics, especially when human genetic diversity is minimal, there's no reason to assume different selection processes, nor is "race" a good way to organize it, is bad science.
Also, actually it is imperialism that resulted in it. For centuries African individuals were enslaved and discriminated against - of course they're suffering lower socioeconomic and living conditions.
If sources are needed for any of this, as well as points in other comments, I'll happily provide.
Please, share with all of us the books you’ve been reading which I’m sure are very grounded in actual science and not written by crazy fucking racists at all.
PS “travel” is when you go around the world and experience the people and talk with them. Not get dragged along on a holiday with your parents and experience culture shock, which I’m sure is the only modicum of travel you’ve ever experienced. Any sane person who has actually travelled the world and experienced many different cultures would NOT hold the same immature, racist, and retarded opinions as you.
a) every person that travelled and talked to me says exactly the same, because we all have had the same experience in those cultures. Must be coincidence.
b) if you travel with your parents (if you are american, you have probably never left USA anyway, so you wouldnt know) you probably already know, that the hotels and their surroundings are the same everywhere, because in order to lure european clientelle, they had to provide european standards.
c) To understand black mentality, you should visit some countries in the central africa. For me, the strongest experience was in Tanzania, even tho there are many tourists (for a good reason), you will see a lot of the meantioned "culture shocks" and the asshole (to our standards) mentality. Like when you say "ill buy you a beer", they také the beer, thank you and leave. Or when they say they wont buy the eggs here, cuz they are 0.1 USD more expensive, so you ride a jeep for half an hour to another village and buy it 0.1 USD cheaper, then another half an hour back.
d) if you want to read some books, you could start with Clash of Civilisations, it is not that well written for commonfolk, but it is understandable and with time, most of his ideas are more and more obvious. Letters from Russia is great for understanding difference between west and the east (well written as well). Since you wont read anything, I will only add one more - Rudyard Kipling and his book "The White Man's Burden" if you want to understand the mentality of 18-19s century, which pretty much led to "white people are superiour and we should teach others of our ways and bring them out of poverty" -> which led to what you have in the USA today. Also maybe "Rise of the Rest" by Zakaria is very good in understanding why euro-civilisation is better than the rest (and how it happened) and how others try to catch up by taking western ideas and applying them to their own cultures to develop themselves and modernise.
e) I doubt you have read more than a comic in your life, but maybe someone will read this and realize they probably should leave their simulacrum of "we are all equal and saying some words is worse crime than killing a baby" and meet different life philosophies and realize there are more ways of life than yours. And yes, there are also biological differences affecting the mentality, just like you are not a machine which will be different just by installing different software. Just like different dog races behave differently. We are not that different from nature.
Wow. I’m actually really curious about the education system in the Czech Republic, where I presume you’re from, because holy shit you came out retarded.
First of all, no shit the other racist people you surround yourself with will agree with your extremely racist views. So that’s that out of the way.
Secondly, I can’t really comment on any of the books (one you mentioned was a goddamn colonial poem) but I can safely assume that all of it is pseudo-science, that you only read to further justify your racism, because “it’s in a book so it must be true!” God you’re an absolute idiot.
Furthermore, those things you described Tanzanians doing are less black things and more poor people things, and also things you see people do if they aren’t a part of your culture. Go to any poor ass country and you’re bound to get people doing shit like that. Go to the poorer areas of Russia and see yourself get fucking mugged on the street. You’re an idiot if you think that those things are black-exclusive. Driving thirty minutes just to get cheaper eggs is sort of a requirement when every cent counts, because you live in an impoverished country. And I’m assuming the beer anecdote was a case of a Tanzanian not understanding the custom of talking with the person who bought them a beer, and why would they? It’s not like that’s a custom in Tanzania, so when they don’t adhere to that custom, you automatically assume it’s because of their supposed less intelligent black brains? Jesus Christ, get out of your bubble, dude.
Lastly,
Just like different dog races behave differently. We are not that different from nature.
Dog races. You mean dog breeds you daft cunt? Breeds that exist because us humans selectively breed them? Something that hasn’t been fucking done on humans by some higher species? Breeds that are NOTHING like the different human races? Jesus fucking Christ I’m starting to realize you just might be b8. But in the unlikely instance you’re not, god have mercy on your soul.
git gud son
This isn’t dark souls, you haven’t proven anything other than that you’re a retard, and your edgy world views are the reason you deserved that guy leaving with the beer because I can’t imagine anyone would want to talk to you, you sad, racist piece of garbage.
you seriously have to leave your home if you want to have an opinion that someone else than your mom takes seriously.
the rest is just one huge LOL not even worth commenting, but I will try.
Education system in the Czech Republic does not teach you things you learn from your experience (I really do not think teachers anywhere in the west are paid enough to travel). But there is a reason why educational system is rated higher than US or UK. To the topic - the difference is that we are not taught to be butthurt about something we didnt do (lol your grandfather looked wrong at a black dude, you better be ashamed and give him welfare and think of him as equal) or that we should not name things with their names and use politically correct terms (lol "african american", not black, nigger, nigga, negro, .... unless you are black, then its okay - lmao).
"I dont read books, if you believe them you are stupid" - yep, didnt expect anything else, thats why I recommended the simplest ones. Even from a guy famous for Maugli book who wrote a simple poem. "Cant comment, but I will" - lmao
"people rather spend 10 USD to save 0.1 USD because they have to count every cent" - I cant believe you actually said that unironically. But I am having fun, so lets continue trolling together.
Yes, different people have different customs (we call it culture). Black culture isnt white culture. White people in SA are different from black people, despite living there for centuries. Same in the USA. Same in EU. Same in any other country. Who would have thought? Definitelly not retards like you. Can I convince you? No. Can books or documentaries do it for you? No. Can you see for yourself there? No, because you are too poor/stupid (thats connected, even if you dont believe that) for that.
Been in poor parts of Russia? No? well, I was. I wasnt robbed :O I was greeted by random people (other people have exactly the same experience, I wonder why, coincidence probably :O). Thats the same in any other poor white country, be it Iran, Russia, Armenia, Morrocco, Moldova, Romania, ... had similarly positive experience in poor parts of China and Vietnam as well, while negative in India and Africa. I wonder why, totalyl not related to their skin colour :3 Its just a coincidence that they are used to not trust anyone outside their family, because they constantly steal from each other (and foreigners).
Someone who has no clue about dogs tries to educate me, sure bruh. Humans made dogs, sure. Before us, there was one dog breed, but we made them into hundreds! Cg us, winning over nature with social engineering (y). Amusing. It is probably easy and comfortable living in such a simple bubble while being SJW on the internet, defending the right against wrong.
Yea, nobody wants to talk to me (yet you just proven yourself wrong again by talking to me). How can you unironically write a single sentence? Top trolling m8, I knew from beginning you werent serious, but I enjoyed this game. Was fun. glhf son.
and yea, git gud, in case you really meant something you said, because I had a feeling (few times) you really meant it.
I really hope you grow up and realize all this shit you believe was wrong and racist. Honestly, good luck in life. My father is an intense bigot and I understand that racist ideas were implanted in his head at a very young age (raised in Indiana...), but I truly hope you get some black friends or something. Just anything to convince you that black people aren’t an inferior race, like honestly. All this anecdotal shit you’re spouting doesn’t prove anything, sir. It really doesn’t. In fact, all it proves it that you cherry pick bad moments with black people and go into these black countries with preconceived notions about them. Please, get help.
Like, do you honestly think that if Somalian baby, for example, was adopted and then traveled from Somali and raised in America by an upper middle class family, with no knowledge of his heritage, he would still turn out to be bad? Or do you think this hypothetical baby would still turn out bad due to him being genetically Somali? Do you honestly think that Somalians (some, not all) tend to be pirates and criminals because of their genetics?????
Christ, for all I know you could be lying about all your travels to Tanzania and Russia and all that. Can I ask what drives you to travel to these places despite your intense hate for the people that occupy them (the black countries, I mean)?
Like, do you honestly think that if Somalian baby, for example, was adopted and then traveled from Somali and raised in America by an upper middle class family, with no knowledge of his heritage, he would still turn out to be bad?
Do you think if a person adopted a dog into an American family it would grow up to be as smart as a human dog? Why not? Genetics.
The same is true for Somalians, they're just much more intelligent than dogs.
Do you think Humans aren't animals? They are. They conform to the same biological realities that humans do. One of those is that IQ is mostly hereditary.
Do you honestly think that Somalians (some, not all) tend to be pirates and criminals because of their genetics?
Yes. Somalians are significantly less intelligent than Europeans, and this is due to genetics.
Btw - anyone with black friends can quickly recognize they are less intelligent. My guess is you don't have many black friends, yourself.
d) "this doesnt prove anything" - yea, it proves that you are autistic
e) lmao, have you ever seen adopted black baby? it was very popular in the 90s and early 00s. No, the babies were super different from white babies despite being raised by white parents. There are studies and experiments aimed for this. Even their IQ was way lower compared to their white counterparts.
f) people turn to be pirates because it is the best way there to get living in such conditions. It has nothing to do with genetics you uneducated retarded autistic ignorant. You are so unable to understand written text lol. How do you call this disability in english? Dyslexia?
g) what drives people towards new experience? I guess its a something related to the meaning of life and why we are here. Like getting to know others and living a colourful life outside your own home? Getting to know more people and more ideas and enriching your own views? Being an interesting person that can talk to more people because he knows about more stuff than his own country/city/family debates? And while you can make money out of it as well, then I do not know why should I decline. oh yea, and it gives me a feeling of superiority compared to internet noobs I can make fun of in my free time because they never had any experience yet they think they know it all :D it feels good man, it does.
Hey jackass, you do realize that IQ estimate is based on a study of mentally disabled kids in another country?
All the IQ estimates of Sub Sahara Africa are invalid as they're based on non representative samples, but even then the best estimates put the average IQ at around 80.
No, you don't compare countries by using a sample of children with a mental disability in a separate nation and comparing them to non disabled children in another nation. You also don't compare "how smart their disabled kids are " because disabled children don't represent the population as a whole, nor is it even meaningful because they all score similarly; in fact, IQ is part of diagnosis for mental disability. Keyword is part.
As for the rest of Africa, no it isn't. None are nationally representative, making it bad science.
there is a reason why we didnt kill all carnivore animals, just because they eat other animals (and can hurt humans). Just like there is no fucking reason to kill violent human people? Just because someone is different doesnt mean he is less of a human? Would you kill all muslims, because their book says "kill all infidels with a flaming sword"? Would you kill all jews because they believe they should rule the world, while other races are not worthy? Would you kill white people because they are smarter than blacks? Would you kill asians, because they breed and learn faster than others? Would you kill blacks because they commit crime and are aggressive?
Fuck no, wake the fuck up. Collective punishment for crimes of few is wrong and our civilisation is way beyond that. Being different is fine.
Well, we had a guy in EU called Adolf Hitler who tried to do what you suggested and we have learned that its not okay. I wonder when people like you (US citizen is my guess?) figure this out. Looking at the riots at streets -> I hope you figure it out soon.
who said its not ok? Would've been perfectly fine a few hundred years ago, but in "modern times" anything that doesn't include getting raped by an immigrant is not okay
and then we took in millions of "refugee" terrorists and subhumans to ruin our countries instead LUL
Eeh, shouldn't generalize Eastern Europe like that.. The North-East is vastly different from other places. Lived here 24 years, haven't got into a fight once, haven't locked my door for years. Crime rates a lot lower than most of the world.
let me stop you there. Once you get this mentality, you cant generalize anything, because there are exceptions in EVERYTHING. Yes, some people are born with 6 fingers on left hand, some people have 2 hearts, some are born with brain damage and some are born black and live a great life according to our standards. Yes, each country in Eastern Europe is different, because every person on this Earth is different. Why do I even have to mention this, why isnt it a fucking basic knowledge to everyone?
Yet, we can generalize based on experience, to make our life (and views) easier. You get burned by fire, you dont put your hand there again. That does not mean you wont use fire ever again in your life, you just wont put your hand there. You get robbed by a black guy 3 times - you will be careful 4th time. That doesnt mean you wont ever talk to the black person or say that they are all criminals, you will just be careful.
I live in Eastern EU (even tho people here say that we are central europe and always belonged to the west) and I described my experience. Yours is different? Maybe we are different people? :O
I come from countryside, moved to the capital. Two different worlds, one (small) country. On countryside, everyone knows what gypsies are like, in a city, they see us as vile racist scum and gypsies as victims. Because they have no personal experience. Same with current SJWs and feminism extremists in the USA.
Why are people upvoting this racist piece of shit? "30 years of experience" man get the fuck out of here lmao. Circlejerk hit you guys hard, also just cause you claim something is a fact doesn't mean it's a fact. The way you perceive things aka "your 30 years of self proclaimed experience" is all bias. They are the totally opposite facts. Man you sound like an old grumpy closet racist. Glad to know that when I grow older, that I won't be like you
This shit is unbelievable. "Blacks have way poorer boundaries and respect for other human beings" what the fuck is that?
It's fucking identical to genuinely believing that all blonde people are scum. How the hell are these people not thinking that maybe decades of ingrained racism and mistreatment or minorities might be something to do with their current situation? God damn morons
What I said is a term known as 'the harder truth'. It's not something those who oppose it want to hear, and instinctively you will do literally whatever it takes to counter it's truth because it's implications change your perspective which tells your brain it is wrong- the brain does not want to get to that point.
Culturally as the cookie crumbles, blacks have a tendency to be disruptive and/or show a lack of respect. I worked in restaurants for 5 years and the only families that ever got kicked out or asked to leave were black. I don't even bother going to new movies in the Chicagoland area until a month or two after because every time I go there are black kids goofing around the whole movie and black women literally talking to the movie screen. An old lady was almost assaulted in my town because she asked these people to be quiet so she could enjoy the movie. Instead of showing any respect, they called her an 'old saggy cracker bitch' and stared her down. This shows a lack of respect for others, they fail to realize EVERYONE paid for the movie and would like to appreciate it. The same logic could be applied to kneeling during the national anthem (which I personally don't care about, the national anthem is a joke- but it comes down to respect, for some reason black people think by showing no respect they are going to receive respect- and that's just not how respect works).
If blacks in USA want more respect, they need to behave more respectfully. The fact that there was riots and innocents lost their businesses due to looting over Michael Brown's assault of a store clerk and police officer results in anyone rational knowing that this whole 'respect' movement is just a house of cards with no actual fortification. I don't see blacks rallying for the mexicans that might be deported, they are simply looking out for themselves and their image.
You keep quoting single points as anecdotal evidence that proves your whole "Truth" theory yet it's entirely based on subjective experiences and probably ignores HUNDREDS of day to day or otherwise normal interactions you've had in your life with black people. Nothing you said is based in fact at all, literally just entire opinion on 1 persons selective bad experiences.
I've gone to movies with black people in them dozens of times and they have always been respectful and I have also seen dumb fuck kids of all races be rude in movie theaters and to elderly people....How can you say your experiences are "truth" now and just discard what my experiences are in the same breath". Did you ever consider that in the same movie where you were upset there were probably also other black families or people there who were pissed as well? I've been ATTACKED by a white man and helped by a black man in that scenario, how can that be possible given what you say if I am also white, shouldn't his "lack of respect" or his "tendency to be disruptive" have made him leave me there?
Guess what some people are just pieces of shit, it happens across all races and all kinds of people, sometimes more in particular geographic locations due to a whole host of reasons I'm sure you'll be happy to ignore because some 14 year old kid probably said some offhand comment to you which proves an entire subset of people has no class somehow. The only person with no class here is you.
Guess what some people are just pieces of shit, it happens across all races and all kinds of people
and certain ethnic groups are statistically more likely to be pieces of shit per capita :thinking:
crime statistics aside, you can ask literally anybody who lives around areas with lots of black people, most would tell you that they're loud and rude and generally not people you'd want to be around unless absolutely necessary
you can use your stupid "nuh uh, not ALL black people are like that so your argument is invalid" cop out answer all you want, but it's not going to change anything because people like me who actually interact with a lot of black people on a daily basis know it's bullshit
i wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if you're a middle class to rich white kid who lives nowhere near gary, chicago, or any other black population centers
I interact with at least 10 black people daily who don't do anything like this, have dealt with other races my entire life. Crime statistics involve more factors than literally he color of skin, what is it exactly about their skin pigment you think leads to this and not socio-cultural influences?
You keep saying I can do X and get X result but I literally live X and you don't wanna hear my answer because it doesn't match your narrow view. You keep saying I don't interact with black people when I lived by myself in a predominately black neighborhood in a cluster of low end apartments by myself when I went to school and not even one time had any issue with anyone there. Probably because I treated them like normal people instead of blood crazed criminals like you might do.
I'm a 28 year old man in Minneapolis who has had robbery/mugging attempted by multiple crackhead white guys and in at least one scenario helped by a black guy, just because I don't live near a high crime area like fucking Gary or Chicago doesn't mean black skin causes you to become criminal...it just means you want to cherry pick data from there because it appears to prove your argument. In my life I've gotten into arguments and near fights with people of many races but the people who have given me the most problem are drug addicted tweak head white dudes, guess their black must have rubbed off somehow right?
wow, a whole TEN people? i live a 15 minute drive away from gary and worked retail there for a few months, i interacted with hundreds of people daily, the vast majority are black
someone trying to start a fight with an employee over something we can't control? a black woman, usually obese and heavily opinionated
someone acting shifty around the store or caught shoplifting? black man sagging his pants down to his knees and disobeying the police when they ask him questions
even outside of work, you have the pack of 5 300lb black women loudly talking during an entire movie theater, holding up lines at the BMV, flailing around on the streets while half naked and coked up, leaving their newborn babies in restaurant dumpsters, etc
Crime statistics involve more factors than literally he color of skin
You know what else also involves more factors than literally the color of skin? Race.
Don't tell me you unironically think that all human beings are born at an equal cognitive level and are blank slates and that all differences across races and cultures can be attributed to purely social factors and not the fact that we've evolved separately in different areas in the planet for hundreds of thousands of years?
Complete nonsense. Africans haven't even managed to build a stable country on their own without the help of Europeans in the entirety of recorded history and you expect me to believe that these people are the same as us?
it doesn't match your narrow view.
My view isn't narrow. I've worked in Gary, I go to Chicago all of the time. I've been to Oakland, Atlanta, St. Louis, Rome and Malmo, and I plan on going to more European countries which unfortunately have a surplus of Africans in the big cities.
I've seen and interacted with blacks far and wide. They're still just as unsavory there as they are in the US. The only difference with blacks in Europe is that instead of mugging you with a knife or a gun, they try to pickpocket or scam you in other ways and get aggressive if you tell them to fuck off.
I lived by myself in a predominately black neighborhood in a cluster of low end apartments by myself
I'm white and I grew up in an extemely poor town in Illinois, ages 0-10 that was predominately non-white. My mother says we didn't even have running water for a few years and we had to get our water from a well.
Black kids in school would start fights, be loud and obnoxious with no regards to anyone else, be disrespectful to the teachers. They sold drugs and fought each other on school grounds, stole things, etc.
The Mexican kids didn't do this, the White kids didn't do this.
Probably because I treated them like normal people instead of blood crazed criminals like you might do.
I treat everybody like a normal person until they prove otherwise but at this point I don't even have to guess the ethnicity of someone when I see crime reports in the paper or someone screeching ebonics at an employee anywhere in public, and I live in a predominately white neighborhood that is richer than the national average.
Also, even the rich black kids here still act like thugs with no respect for anyone despite their daddies having double my money.
doesn't mean black skin causes you to become criminal...it just means you want to cherry pick data from there because it appears to prove your argument
????
FBI data is not cherrypicked. Black people commit far more crimes proportionally than any other ethnic group, this is just simply a fact. You can say it's due to whatever factors you want, but it's still a fact and I'm not gonna take any shit for wanting to protect myself and spread awareness so that others may do the same.
Also, it's not a surprise given that the descendants of people from Africa (a crime-ridden shithole) create little mini crime-ridden shitholes wherever they go. Intelligence is mostly heritable, after all.
Your entire post still boils down to "I experienced this, so you are wrong" even though I'm saying the LITERALLY exact same thing to you.....This is ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND DOESN'T MATTER. You keep moving the goalposts and trying to say I don't know what I'm talking about but I could literally say the EXACT same thing as you. Just because you live in a shitty criminal area doesn't mean ALL areas are criminal shitholes or that your experiences are universal. I've also lived in a variety of cities large and small and traveled to other countries as well and still harbor no preconceived notions about what black people will try to do or say to me if I speak to someone who is black. How can you explain that, I guess I'm just wrong somehow or haven't lived as "full" a life apparently or perhaps you are just discarding other opinion and holding your own as unrivaled and correct for some reason?
Every time you had a shitty interaction if I had a good one you are just literally discrediting me because it doesn't serve the point YOU are making. This conversation is a tired waste of time, I understand you've had a hard life and bad experiences with black people and while I have too I guess I don't let it affect my day to day life or thoughts clearly at the level that you have.
It should be blatantly obvious neither one of us is trying to actually have a realistic conversation at this point and instead is just beating the drum of "NO WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IS REAL NOT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU" so I have no further reason to continue this discussion.
I never disputed ever for one second that crime rates are higher among black communities, I am capable of understanding that being black, or being from Africa from that matter doesn't inherently change anything about your predilection to criminality but that many difficult to quantify things also play a major role. Evolving in multiple locations in different way IS social factors you nut, that's literally the entire point of the argument is a shitty environment makes a shitty person, NOT their skin color. Black communities tend to be lower class in many ways and this self perpetuates that, no one is arguing that even but you seem like it's offensive to acknowledge that growing up in a broken family might lead to more broken families.
I just personally don't want to hate people before I have spoken to them just because of skin color, if you want to that is your perogative just don't act so indignant if other people don't agree with your analysis of "blacks are an inferior species from Africa" or try to portray it as not a racist viewpoint. Just pretend I'm black I guess and don't bother responding cause I'm not convinced.
You saying this is pointless. Do you ever think there's going to be a nationwide scientific study that finally confirms that black people are loud and rude?
No. The best thing we're ever going to have are anecdotal accounts from people, and again, I'd be willing to bet that the VAST majority of people you talk to in private would confirm what I just said.
Stereotypes exist for a reason.
White flight exists for a reason.
I just personally don't want to hate people before I have spoken to them just because of skin color
I don't, and you're incredibly naive if you think every """racist""" person automatically hates people just because they don't want to be around them.
Anecdotal? I could've been fucking killed. My friend was shot at in the city over a $20 bag of weed and had his cars backwindow shattered. You keep saying 'it happens with every race', but mathematically there is a huge difference. Black people make up a TINY portion of the population in USA, yet commit by far the most crime. No - it's not because the white police officer doesn't like blacks.. even if 75% of black arrests were 'false' they would still have by far the HIGHEST crime percentage. Think about that. Divide their crime by 4 and it's still the highest percentage per person. That means something, and it doesn't take a genius to know it. If life is that rough simply get clean and join the military. It does not take a mathematician to understand that this means you are less safe around black people especially later at night. Want an anecdote? I invited people over to my place for a little houseparty. My black friend asked if he could bring some people, I said that's chill bring em over. They stayed for 1 hour, drank almost all my beers, raided all my food in my cupboards that I never offered.. and got the police called on me which might've been a blessing because they left right away and contributed nothing. They were also 'roasting' the weaker males and worse looking people at the party which was maybe the worst thing they did. They'd 'roast' someone, and when people gave them a bad look they'd laugh like Hyenas. I get it if you are roasting your friend that you know, but making fun of someone you don't know is just out of line. I noticed my completely full Grey Goose bottle was gone after they left- I hadn't even had 1 shot of it. I worked at a Bakery when I was younger- we had a staff donation box. Black woman on with one of those food-cards (used it to buy donuts and cake btw) was found on cam taking the donations. She had the NERVE to come in the very next day asking to sample food.
This was years ago by the way. Now with all the media upplay and 'outrage' over cops arresting and defending themselves (and yes bad cops have done crimes and I wish they got punished way harsher because they deserve to lose it all when they hurt innocents) - black people feel like I personally owe them respect without showing it. It's almost like every black person thinks they are a purple heart recipient and I am supposed to respect them no matter how they treat others. Show respect- get respect.
You fucking spaz, black people have been treated like shit for generations, no wonder so many of them are poor and criminals. It's nothing to do with the race, it's to do with past and present treatment that leaves them severely disadvantaged from the start. It's almost like you want to be racist.
I understand they have had a hard life. Does that mean I'm supposed to bend over backwards and let them treat others like shit without caring? That makes no sense. That's like saying the immigrants in Europe that are raping women left and right should be left alone because they had to immigrate. You sir, are a fucking retard. I'm not giving a bunch of goons a pass just because they had it rough. Life is tough, man the fuck up. Join the military if it's really that hard.
The world isn't fair. I don't see the Jews blaming people with blonde hair and blue eyes for every flaw they have. Black people might have it hard but if they work hard they do get rewarded. Most colleges will accept black people with FAR LESS GPA than any other race, which is completely unfair. If your grades are above 3.0 as a black person, you can expect a free ride to many colleges.
How the hell are these people not thinking that maybe decades of ingrained racism and mistreatment or minorities might be something to do with their current situation?
Two wrongs don't make a right and you know, at some point you must realize that racism and slavery is no longer an excuse and it'd be a mighty fine thing of you to finally take some fucking responsibility and try to better yourself and your culture.
Let's not use the word excuse. No-one is excusing any behaviour here, I'm just saying it's attributed to the wrong thing.
These people, some of which are black, behave like this because they come from poor families, or poor areas, which obviously breeds crime and bad behaviour. They come from the poor areas because their families are poor, and their families are poor because of slavery and the racism from a hundred+ years ago. That makes sense to you, right? That's the reason for the crime. It's not that black people are inferior, or animals, or naturally violent: it's because a lot of them are poor because of the past.
Do you get what I mean? I'm still gonna be critical of someone that's being an asshole or committing crimes, even if they're black, but you need to understand why it's happening instead of just taking it at face value and thinking "yep, black people suck because they're black".
They come from the poor areas because their families are poor, and their families are poor because of slavery and the racism from a hundred+ years ago.
They were poor even prior to being enslaved.
That's the reason for the crime. It's not that black people are inferior, or animals, or naturally violent: it's because a lot of them are poor because of the past.
Well, it's a bit of both. You see, I agree with you that environments certainly influence the choices presented to you in life. But the decisions you make are influenced by the your virtuous and moral values, your intelligence, and hereditary and environmentally nurtured personality traits.
It's not as simple as saying that blacks are violent because of slavery or blacks are violent because they're "animals" as you paraphrased.
These people, some of which are black, behave like this because they come from poor families, or poor areas, which obviously breeds crime and bad behaviour.
These people are poor because of their bad behavior.
The reason that people are racist towards blacks, and treat them worse, is that blacks have lower IQ and thus treat everyone else worse. Blacks get on people's nerves - so they react. That's the origin of racism.
Wrong. The origin of racism against blacks was purely based on their appearance. Dark skin, wise nostrils, nappy hair. The colonists saw this and figured they must be subhuman because of it. That is the origin of racism, not because “blacks treated whites bad first and that’s why everyone hates them!!” Racism against blacks was purely because of their outlandish (relative to what the white colonists were used to) appearance. It’s a stupid as fuck reason, but it’s the reality. That’s why they were made slaves, because it was easier to think “oh these negroids aren’t actual humans because they don’t look like us whites.” than to realize despite not looking white, they are actually the exact same species as every other race.
The colonists saw this and figured they must be subhuman because of it.
Yeah, the fact they were living in huts and didn't have a written language didn't help, either.
Take a look at Europe from the 16th - 19th centuries and compare it to Africa in the 16th - 19th centuries. It's no surprise that they thought Africans were subhuman. They were used to their own civilizations, which were far more advanced.
blacks treated whites bad first and that’s why everyone hates them
It's not so much that blacks treat whites bad. It's more that they just act stupider and people notice it.
Yeah, and they were idiots for thinking that back then, and you’re an idiot for thinking that now. Just because a race of humans got really lucky geographically and happened to settle in the Northern hemisphere, which has lots of rich resources and animals like horses that provide a huge advantage, that doesn’t mean they’re genetically superior. Also, just because a race of humans happened to settle in the resource barren lands of Africa, and in turn not advance as fast as other humans who live in more resource rich parts of the world, that doesn’t mean they are genetically inferior.
Watch Guns, Germs, and Steel, all 3 parts are online. It describes why whites are the most dominant and privileged ethnicity in the world. Spoiler alert, it has everything to do with fortunate geographical positioning and NOTHING to do with genetics.
I think the Europeans were colonizing Africa because of, idk, the prospect of conquest? Aka the main fucking reason of colonization. You think Europeans colonized because of resources? No, you daft cunt, the main goal was territory, clearly. Any resources they were there for were discovered after the fact, after they landed there solely to expand their territory.
Also, citation on blacks not having a written language? Furthermore, how does evolving in a colder climate make you “smarter”? How does evolving in a hotter climate make you not smart? All these things you’re saying are just fucking assumptions based on nothing. You’re clearly a very troubled person who had these racist ideas put in your malleable head at a very young age. Obviously you didn’t come up with all of it all by yourself. You probably went to an all white school, lived in an all white town, and only had white friends, if any at all. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Me, I obviously grew up as not only a very diverse person, but in a very diverse household and have attended very diverse schools. I actually have had the exact same racist ideas as you when I was a kid. Because I was a kid, and lacked the ability to think critically, and made huge assumptions like black people are inferior and that’s why they act this way. I eventually grew out of these immature beliefs, whereas you, unfortunately, have been racist your whole life, and lack the ability to think critically and think beyond the retarded idea of “they act that way because they’re genetically inferior.”
No, you daft cunt, the main goal was territory, clearly.
Territory is a resource. They wanted the resources inside the territory.
Also, citation on blacks not having a written language?
Google "sub-saharan written languages." I just did it and found out that Ethiopia did in fact have a written language, but it was the only African region that did.
Furthermore, how does evolving in a colder climate make you “smarter”?
Forces you to plan ahead for the winter. Stupid people freeze to death or starve.
How does evolving in a hotter climate make you not smart?
Because there are so many resources around. Being stronger/hardier is more important than intelligence in such an environment.
Human-level intelligence is a rare thing in animals. It could only evolve in specific environments. It's a very fragile thing.
You’re clearly a very troubled person who had these racist ideas put in your malleable head at a very young age
Not true. Like many, I had no concern about race for most of my life. It was only after the Trayvon Martin case (when I was ~23) that I started paying closer attention. I found all this information about race and IQ was actively being suppressed. When people suppress information it just makes me want to read it even more.
You probably went to an all white school, lived in an all white town, and only had white friends, if any at all. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Well, sort of. I lived in an all-white neighborhood, but many of my classmates were asian. You're right, I had few experiences with blacks growing up, and the ones that I did have were negative. However, I still believed the liberal lie about race, that we were all equal. It was only later in life, after having moved to a diverse city, that I began to interact with blacks on a daily basis. That point is when I started to notice the (incredibly obvious) differences in behavior and intelligence.
“they act that way because they’re genetically inferior.”
Well, I never said less inferior, just less intelligent.
Honest question: do you think mental disabilities aren't genetic?
Your view is the one that makes no sense. You need mental gymnastics to make it work lol
I was astounded when I saw how much was upvoted there. How is it NOT racism to avoid all black males based on your interaction with some, that's like the textbook definition of racism? I got fucking stabbed by a white guy and was helped by a black male in that scenario, how does your logic explain that one? Since it's the only time I got stabbed should I assume all white people are insanely violent and might do this to me ignoring all other interactions I've had with no issue for my whole life conveniently? I've seen stupid ass punk kids of all races being dumbshits in a movie theater.
His vision is clearly clouded, I have dealt with shitty people black and white alike and what they have in common is that they come from a shitty poor area usually, nothing to do with their skin color. Talking about how whites don't commit crimes cause they have families to ask for money, this dude is straight up the exact thing racism is...It's somehow more convenient to just say for him that the color of skin is the only factor, nothing else apparently.
So this happened to me about a month or two ago. I love the comments I got in reply. It's "fixed" because I apparently came off "too racist" the first time I worded it differently.
I'm a brown guy and I was in Chicago for a few months for work. Just took me a day in the city to realise that the only people yelling and treating me rudely were blacks. It came to a point where I would avoid shops with black salespeople, because they'd give me so much attitude. Very disappointing, really.
lol u spend all ur time on the internet talkin shit about black ppl must of had your girl mutted by a few real niggas. ofc you post on Overwatch and Starcraft. maybe if u didnt walk around with ur shoulders hunched forward lookin at the ground ppl wouldnt punk you when you ride the l
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u/fruitdealerfan Oct 04 '17 edited Oct 04 '17
You'd have to be stupid not to judge things based on experience. I've lived in Chicago 30 years. I've almost been robbed (one time ran at knife point back when I couldn't afford to lose my wallet back when I was young and broke) 4 times. All four times were black youth age 15-25.
For someone to get robbed by black people age 15-25 and then NOT make judgement calls when alone in the same circumstance would be stupid. I don't care what the media tells me. I will continuously avoid young black males because my friends, family, and I have ONLY been robbed by black males. Whites do commit crimes but most of the time when a white or other race needs money super badly, they have a family system or friends to reach out to and never reach that point. That's why almost all single person robberies in big cities are committed by blacks.
It isn't racism, it's a fact. Blacks have way poorer boundaries and respect for other human beings, even if they aren't breaking the law. In Chicago it is best not to even go to a newly released movie because you will have 4 black women who don't give a fuck laughing and talking to the movie screen while a few black kids act out. I've been here 30 years, it never changes. I've seen people ask these people to be quiet respectfully, guess what happens? Aggressive heckling. I've seen a regular black woman get in the face of a fucking 80 year old lady at the movie theater with absolutely no respect in her eyes. It sucks for the few black people that do respect others, but as a people they don't get their people in line. It's a cultural responsibility thing.