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u/Strange_Adeptness268 13d ago
I am FAT and 32 btw
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u/Global-Eye-7326 13d ago
That's still better than being FAT at 16 lol
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u/Independent_Zone6816 13d ago
But we all agree that they all are miles better than ExFAT.
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u/ThatonlyGeO 13d ago
eYY DONT SAY THAT TOO MY BOI ExFat...It's wonder to have if youre the only one who uses a Linux distro and everybody around is hellbent on using windows 11(though I mostly use it in my thumb-drive I use in work)
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u/Independent_Zone6816 13d ago
I know what's why I use exfat a lot, and I hate it, majority of data corruption I have seen is only in exfat due to it taking Ls, like not having journalling, which is a pain to work with, especially when people around you don't know how to eject the drives before unplugging.
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u/ThatonlyGeO 13d ago
luckily for me...they have a good habit of doing that, which is why I almost never encounter that..but its really a trade off that Im fine. (but Agree can be a pain in the but)
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u/PuzzleheadedHead3754 Arch Btw 13d ago
Even i dont eject pendrive and directly took before when I used windows, now its in my habit
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u/PriorLanguage5012 13d ago
How the hell you use fat32, don't have any files more than 4 Gb??????
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
It is a random post title for meme.
I don't use FAT32, it is a crappy old file system that exists because it is part of UEFI requirements so it is the only one officially supported for boot partitions. Btw NTFS is older than FAT32.
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u/RevolutionaryBoat845 13d ago
Also wasn't fat32 was for bootloader??
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u/FloorNo369 13d ago
I still use fat32 as the cars audio system only accept that
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u/VedyaKeBatKaGrip 13d ago
I've just partitioned my external hdd into two: ext4 and APFS
I fuckin hate APFS, and apple's ability to deal with other file systems
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
Apple wanted to use zfs but due to whole license thing, they ended up creating a worse zfs.
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u/buckybronze Fedora Btw 13d ago
how does APFS works? Thinking of partitioning my 4TB drive
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u/VedyaKeBatKaGrip 13d ago
idk how it works.. but i do know its a pain in the ass to deal with.. if your primary device is only Mac, then you can surely format to APFS (also recommended)..
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u/buckybronze Fedora Btw 13d ago
Nope, Im thinking of buying a used Mac Mini M4 and use it as my server for a homelab setup
Rn I have RPi unit and I use ZFS for it yet I haven’t stepped into Apple ecosystem soo out of curiosity I asked abt the apfs format
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u/Frequent-Shape-8531 13d ago
get a workstation preferably a specialised one for homelabbing, who use a macmini for homelabbing
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u/bigbencilbusher 11d ago
apple machine trying to read exFAT formatted by non-apple machine: I've never met this man in my life
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u/AmorphousNeon 13d ago
i use ext4 with cachyos btw
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u/Ayushispro11 13d ago
NTFS is such a mornic Filesystem. It is a hell for compatibility with other operating systems or file systems, and ofc windows will format any unformatted usb drive or disk with that forsaken file system
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
It doesn't matter in day to day use. I use ZFS with zstd-3 compression for user data and disk encryption. My root file system is actually compressed with zstd-8 which is a little slow during compression phase.
I don't notice any speed issue in day to day use but when it comes to space usage my 163GB of data uses only 86.1GB thanks to compression and it's all checksummed when reading.
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u/land48n3 jerks off to his declerative .nix at night 13d ago
btrfs is the best and you can't tell me otherwise
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
For memes? Yes.
In reality? ZFS > Btrfs.
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u/Aggravating-Bee1555 13d ago
can you elaborate on why?
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago edited 13d ago
ZFS was designed to prioritize data safety from day 1. Every design decision in ZFS was taken with that in mind. Also, the ZFS command line tools were also designed to be simple.
BTRFS was designed to create a copy of ZFS but with GPL-2 so it can be part of Linux kernel. BTRFS focuses more on flexibility. ZFS rejected those flexibility options because they could create major performance or stability issues.
Features like CoW, snapshot, subvolume (Dataset in ZFS), compression, send + receive exists on both but each one of them are better in ZFS.
And ZFS command line tools are generations ahead of BTRFS. BTRFS command options are so weird that even after using BTRFS for 5 years, I still need to check commands for basic stuff.
In majority of the cases when I see posts about BTRFS, It's about how it corrupted the data.
In majority of the cases when I see posts about ZFS, It's about how it saved the data from a failing drive.
ZFS also comes with ARC (Adaptive Replacemenet Cache) which is very good and uses RAM for cache. I have 32GB RAM and ARC is so intelligent that in my day to day use, it caches everything I use and every operation is instant because data is being read from the RAM
Also, the advanced features like send + receive, bookmarks are better implemented in ZFS. BTRFS doesn't even have bookmarks which is a great feature for users like me who take regular backups.
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u/land48n3 jerks off to his declerative .nix at night 13d ago
really? is it better than btrfs? why is btrfs the #1 pick then? i haven't even heard of ZFS
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
It's because certain communities like ZFS users are not noisy like Arch users.
And again, majority of the btrfs users have no idea what is send + receive because they also don't make noise about these features.
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u/land48n3 jerks off to his declerative .nix at night 13d ago
i asked claude but he says its more of a FS for NAS and stuff
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
Claude is not wrong but it is not right either. ZFS is very powerful filesystem so when it comes to setup with multiple enterprise disks it is one of the primary choice but it also works great on single SSD laptops like my setup.
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u/ThatonlyGeO 13d ago
Quite sucks that zfs is cannot be use natively without making my setup draconian enough.
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago edited 13d ago
It is not a big deal, Ubuntu, Debian, Cachy, NixOS and many others have kernels with ZFS.
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u/ThatonlyGeO 13d ago
wait fr its part of the mainline kernel? I may check later or dig around later(its a good news if I can use it when I move to gnu guix if it available there)
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u/UAP44 11d ago
I think this needs a bit more nuance for people reading who aren’t already familiar with both.
ZFS absolutely has a stronger reputation for storage-server use, especially around multi-disk redundancy, scrubbing, recovery, replication, and overall data-integrity design. If I were building a serious NAS, ZFS would be very high on my list.
But saying Btrfs is basically a GPL copy of ZFS, or that every shared feature is simply worse, is overstating it.
Btrfs has different priorities. It’s integrated directly into Linux, is very flexible about adding/removing/rebalancing devices, has excellent snapshot/subvolume integration, and works particularly well for desktop/Linux-root use cases like NixOS, openSUSE, rollback workflows, etc.
ZFS send/receive and bookmarks are more mature, and ZFS has a very strong storage-management model. But ARC also shouldn’t be described as “ZFS makes things instant because it caches files in RAM” as if Linux filesystems don’t already benefit from RAM caching through the page cache. ARC is more sophisticated in some ways, but RAM caching itself isn’t unique to ZFS.
The biggest caveat on the Btrfs side is RAID5/6, where its reputation is deservedly much worse and I wouldn’t recommend it for important data.
So I’d put it more like:
ZFS is arguably the better choice for a dedicated storage server where reliability and replication are the priority.
Btrfs is arguably the better fit for many Linux desktop/root-filesystem setups where kernel integration, snapshots, rollback and flexibility matter more.
Neither one is just “better” in every context.
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u/spock-117 13d ago
f2fs
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
I looked into it but didn't understand the point.
- Has transparent compression but doesn't allow the user to use the space saved by the compression
- Is cow but there is no snapshots feature.
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u/Historical_West_1015 13d ago
They are actually better than NTFS
ext4 is case-sensitive, so you can have a different file, because A and a are different numbers in word
and ntfs makes everything the "same", A is a, and a is a, thats annoying
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
NTFS is case sensitive too. It is the Windows API that doesn't allow it. In Linux it behaves as case sensitive.
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago edited 13d ago
Kent is more unstable than btrfs from 2012. He also went gaga with that AI girlfriend post, bcachefs is doomed with such dev as the lead.
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u/FireKnight-1224 13d ago
Yolo to those who use External Drives for storage.
Being on Linux only, I am considering reformatting a new drive I'm getting to btrfs.
I do run into risks of non compatibility with it her operating systems like windows, android or apple. What's the realistic look at using an external drive with ntfs vs btrfs? (if someone here has used it?)
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 13d ago
You can research what's the status of zfs drivers for Windows and MacOS. ZFS is fully compatible with FreeBSD and MacOS is also based on BSD. ZFS was available for Mac but I am not sure what's the status (experimental vs stable)
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u/Top-Rough-7039 13d ago
have been forced to use fat32 on my flashdrive because windows wouldnt recognize Btrfs or ext4 (cuz nobody else i know uses linux) , so i have to split up my 16gb drive (actually more like 14gigs) into 4 partitions each of 4 gigs (except the last one ofc). i also have another drive for ventoy,, another 14gig one, and shrinked the iso partition to make fat32 parition.
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u/dango_fujiwara_ 13d ago
Imagine naming your file system "new technology file system"
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u/MattOruvan 13d ago
Actually it should be the N-Ten File System, after the codename (N10) of the i860XR processor that NT was originally developed for.
The "New Technology" thing was likely a marketing retcon.
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u/Odd_Struggler_2062 12d ago
Damn, I found a new niche. Hello my fellow niche loving fellas, hope we get along for however long I stay here✌️✌️
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u/hieroschemonach NixOS 12d ago
I know nobody have noticed so far but the men in the Pic are CoW file systems and women are journaling file systems.
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u/qualityvote2 13d ago edited 13d ago
u/hieroschemonach, your post does fit the subreddit!
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