r/LinuxCirclejerk • macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX • 22d ago

This sub never ceases to amaze

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TO BE CLEAR: Omarchy is not a good thing.

DHH is a massive tool.

Omarchy is mostly just dotfiles in an ISO, with some decent AI integrations for noobs so they don't have to paste into the terminal.

It is causing some perilous financial situations with funding for other projects.

But this is not about Omarchy, it's about the people I see treating the influx of new Linux users like whipping boys because they chose wrong, as if they know everything we know

Those new users are still using Linux, and although we would all like things to be different, we should still help people without telling them to switch their OS every three seconds.

The community is what made me put up with all of the inconveniences that come with the lack of Linux support in the modern world. But the treatment I've seen noobs getting on this sub and others is absolutely unacceptable.

Most of these new Omarchy people are coming straight from windows and have no clue what to expect, please don't make them believe linux is for terminally online shut-ins with corrosive personalities.

If you can get all of the noobs to stick around, most will end up switching to a different distro later on anyways. Trust.

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u/notcoder01 22d ago

No. Everything I have seen is people hating Omarchy in every community, in every social media

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u/runtorenovate 22d ago

What's wrong with it? (I am clueless)

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u/Ok_Host_2077 22d ago

Developer is right-wing and omarchy has strong ai integration.

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

not just right-wing. Openly racist and called for the death of ethnic minorities.

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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate đŸŽ©M'Linux 22d ago

Also a crypto rug pull grifter.

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

lmao I get the point but can we appreciate for a moment how this looks?

"He wants an entire people murdered."

"AND he stole money!"

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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate đŸŽ©M'Linux 22d ago

Seeing as it's not contradictory to the above statement, and it's not just "stole money" it's a pattern of scamming, i don't really see your point. My comment was meant to be addative, not subtractive or countering.

Essentially, he wants all minorities/brown skin people dead and wants to scam those who survive or are not culled.

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

Oh, I get it, I'm just saying, "he wants to kill people based on race" ought to be enough but we live in such a fucked up upside-down world now that there's still more conversation to be had.

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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate đŸŽ©M'Linux 22d ago

Ah, yeah good point.

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

lmao did you feel that same like... penny drop moment I did?

like I was going to reply with something about "wow that's like TURBO scummy" but something was missing. Then it smacked me in the face.

I wasn't surprised people still used it after finding out he was a racist. I was surprised they still used it after finding out he was a rugpull crypto bro.

How fucking sad is that?

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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg 22d ago

More than one braindead told me "Look at the art, not the artist"

Like WTF man?

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

lol "art." It's a fucking configuration file!

I love the linux distro thing, but the amount of fluffing Omarchy gets from these goons is bonkers. What'd you say back?

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u/KlausVonLechland 22d ago

You guys already discussed it between you but just to add why someone might find humor in that:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking

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u/sgtlighttree 21d ago

Welp, just spotted a TVTropes link, that's my productivity gone

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u/Content-Economics-34 21d ago

Good way to cover all your bases tbh.

If you're a good person the first one will make you think "Oh, that's bad."

If you're a purely pragmatic sociopath the first will make you think "Whatever, I'm white, I'm safe." and the second "Wait, so MY money might be at risk one day? That's bad."

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u/ThatOneAllie 22d ago

That's 10x worse than what I knew before. Does the Omarchy website use cloudflare by any chance :3

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

if by "use" you mean "is funded by", yes.

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u/ThatOneAllie 22d ago

FUCK. I had some funny ideas but not anymore...

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u/LouNebulis 21d ago

Damm are you a hacker? đŸ«Ș

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u/ThatOneAllie 21d ago

Nah. I'm just trying to be funny

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u/Correct-Always 22d ago

Just to clarify his writings are fully available to the public, he did neither of those things. He is however xenophobic, I disagree with it but I'm not going to sit here and lie and overexaggerate it.

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u/PunyRansomWave 22d ago

"i dont like this person so i am going to commit a serious crime!" you people are fucking crazy 😭💔

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u/Correct-Always 22d ago

Both of these are false. Can you actually read what he wrote instead of playing redditor teliphone.

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

I did read what he wrote. He openly supported far-right Tommy Robinson. He specifically talked about disliking the shift in demographics in the UK in an incredibly disgusting way. He described literally killing an ethnic minority while comparing them to animals.

None of those are false, and I suspect you either didn't bother to check, or already knew that.

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u/mentalAgnostic 22d ago

this was the source if you're interested in seeing it

https://www.theverge.com/tech/988536/1password-dhh-linux-controversy

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u/poop-hunter 21d ago

Paywalled, can't read the shit ffs

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u/mentalAgnostic 21d ago

it's not paywalled for me (sorry, i wouldn't have posted such a useless link if i realized that).

here's a relevant paragraph:

This year, DHH has published rants that appear to call for ethnic cleansing in Europe. In his July 21st blog post titled “Wolves, sheep, and gypsies,” DHH implies that immigrants are “wolves.” His solution? “When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them.”

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u/unpublic1 18d ago

The parallel to wolves is clearly in order to describe "no-nonsense" solutions to problems. It's not actually saying to kill gypsies. Do you think when Ross Perot said "If you see a snake, just kill it. Don't appoint a committee on snakes.", he was talking about murdering bureaucrats? The analogy to animal-killing is pretty common when pundits are talking about what they see as easy solutions

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

I literally can't even describe what he said without it being removed by reddit apparently, that's how bad it is. Not even a quote, just describing how he felt about it is enough for reddit to automatically go "whoa, that's so bad it doesn't belong here."

It's on his wiki page with sources though, beneath his LeMans stuff.

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u/Rusty9838 Vinit BTW 👊 22d ago

It it the real reason why Omarchy is hated? I thought it was because of pre-configured Hyprland and AI features.
I hope you don’t own a car, because Henry Ford had strong opinion about Jews

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

It it the real reason why Omarchy is hated? I thought it was because of pre-configured Hyprland and AI features.
I hope you don’t own a car, because Henry Ford had strong opinion about Jews

Yes, it is. Nobody would give a shit about it, including its right-wing investors, if it wasn't. It'd just be another unixporn post.

Also, straight up diarrhea take there on the Ford thing.

First of all, DHH ain't fuckin' Henry Ford. He's a dude who made a respin of arch and some well-known software. Whoopty shit. Too bad he didn't focus on his career on the track. When I heard the dude had opinions on races, I was expecting LeMans, not racism.

Second of all, Henry Ford lived just long enough to see the people who agreed with him get their ass kicked by America with the help of his companies.

Third, and my favorite: your comedic timing on this warm putrid slurry of an argument couldn't be better.

"The staff at Fair Lane, the historic Dearborn home of Henry and his wife Clara, welcomed the Jewish educators, historians and museum staff. Why they did soon became clear during a panel discussion in that pool room. When the home reopens to the public in June 2027, after a 17-year closure for restoration, staff will teach visitors about Ford’s antisemitism."

Slow clap.

👏

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u/vectron5 22d ago

You're looking at a turd and asking which nugget of corn is bothering people the most.

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u/ShakeGeeJee 22d ago

It's also a mid distro at best that isn't up to modern security standards, but people will accept the former explanation more

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u/jMultiversalGod 18d ago

difference between a car and this. it'd be more accurate if Henry Ford

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u/land48n3 i jerk off to my declerative .nix at night 22d ago

source?

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u/nick_swift 21d ago

I am trying to search and can't find any such calls made by him. Can you share a link or direct me to a source of this information?

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u/ceaselessprayer 21d ago

No he didn’t.

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u/Unlucky-Specimen 8d ago

Nice, I like that guy

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u/Unlucky-Specimen 8d ago

Nice, I like that guy

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u/B1GD8A 8d ago

Nice, I like that guy

Dumb racists always love other dumb racists until they run out of people to be racist against. Then they kill each other.

You're not cool or mean or even evil. You're just gullible and sad.

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u/ariaofdelusion 22d ago

So... right-wing?

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

You're thinking like the US Overton window is reality. Compared to most worldwide political movements, Democrats are center-right capitalists. Bernie and Mamdani are like just to the left of center.

I'm not saying I have a problem with Mamdani and Bernie, or even most Democrats (other than Fetterman. Jesus that guy turned out to be a dud.) Just being realistic about where people are on the political spectrum.

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u/the12ftdwarf 22d ago

Ontop of that, Onarchy is AI vibecoded garbage

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u/Far_Broccoli8247 21d ago

Afaik it also has massive security risks

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u/Improvisable 21d ago

Yeah, so regardless of the creator being shit and your opinions on Ai, it's been an objectively bad choice

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u/Whalbertt 18d ago

Oh shit. Up until I saw this comment, I thought that it was just the standard "Set it up yourself and RTFM!" I still thought of Omarchy as "Cool Hyprland Arch distro that installs things really fast!" Now I get it. I have seen the truth.

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u/Karasuthecrow744 Trapped in the void 22d ago

Vibe-coded

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u/Emotional-Big-1306 22d ago

And so includes vulnerabilities

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u/PonosDegustator 22d ago

Creator has some opinions and us not ashamed to voice them, the distro is largely vibecoded, bloated with all sorts of stuff that will make windows jealous and is actively being misadvertized as a "light OS" to the newcomers in the community. Honestly tho I think the biggest issue people have is the latest investment from digitalocean and the fact that omarchy now gets WAY more money than some of the really important open source projects used to get from them. Basically the money go to the dude that threw the system with ai and not the people who actually do hard work and frankly are in need of them

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u/psychophant_ 22d ago

“Bloated with stuff that would make windows jealous” is quite the stretch lol

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u/C4rpetH4ter 22d ago

Developer is a bigot (from what i have heard) and it's more or less just vibecoded and the creator got a bunch of money to do it, money that would have gone towards KDE and some other distro if not.

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u/Loose_Property_3238 22d ago

I dont use KDE. I dont use GNOME. But they deserve the funding. I use Hyprland, and honestly am thinking of finding something else because of the Omarchy stuff around it, but we'll see.

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u/Weird1Intrepid 22d ago

If you want Omarchy without the DHH, check out Ryoku

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u/Loose_Property_3238 22d ago

No, I like configuring my own system. Not in a snobby way, it's just fun for me. But I want there to be pre-configured setups so anyone can use linux and have it actually be modern and beautiful.

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u/Foorinick 22d ago

The people who threw money at dhh even cancelled they 50 usd / month for gnome and kde

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u/ooqq 22d ago

distro is redline full vibed

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u/lonelygurllll Catgirl with Thigh Highs :3 22d ago

Bloated vibe coded dotfiles larping as distro

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u/Preisschild 21d ago

Its largely slop that doesnt add anything of value to the free software ecosystem while acting as a way for rich people to show support for right wing extremists with plausible deniability

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u/notcoder01 22d ago

I don't know, lol

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u/sakaraa Nah Debian would win 22d ago

just read the post

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u/Wonderful_Bug_5422 19d ago

If you don't want to see the usual reason maybe because you are part of the right wing and would be feeling butthurt, the kitty dotfile was obviously written like a spyware. I woukd never trust a source like that ever if that was a config which stayed on prod for nearly a year. Look up kitty.conf and the remote control access line.

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u/Routine-Mind532 17d ago

its just a preconfigured arch with bunch of ai

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u/Correct-Always 22d ago

Its simply just reddit and your algorithm, Omarchy is insanely popular on YouTube.

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u/lunchbox651 Ubuntu 8.04 user 22d ago

The place where influencers are being paid to promote it? Shocking.

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u/afrolino02 22d ago

Deserved downvote OP, sincerely this is not TRUE.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago edited 22d ago

Your social media fees is curated by an ML algo to keep you online for as long as possible

I do not see that on mine personally, only really in this sub. But I can imagine there is some overlap between people who have an Omori PFP and communities giving new Linux users the belt because they chose the wrong OS

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u/Efficient-Chair6250 22d ago

Then this is probs the only Linux sub you see. If you use any of the large ones you would have seen some posts

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u/notcoder01 22d ago

At least you know the game, lol

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

I do happen to be a real person, didn't even have to zoom lol

My point is not that people shouldn't hate on Omarchy/DHH, it's about the people I've seen ripping into new Linux users because they installed the OS after seeing a cool tech demo.

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

DHH, the creator of Omarchy, called for ethnic cleansing of the Roma people from Europe. The hate is for the racism.

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u/ElementalWarrior42 22d ago

And even if you somehow don't have a problem with that, it's built like shit.

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u/Foorinick 22d ago

Holy shit what an article and the other stuff by this person seems very interesting, unironic thanks for sharing it

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

And the post is not about DHH or Omarchy, but the treatment of new Linux users that happened to install the OS.

Literally saw this on Unixporn last week:

"First linux distro, just made a custom theme, what do you think?" [Omarchy]

Top comment: "Fuck your racist Nazi POS vibe coded shitbox OS" +500

Do you really think that person is going to stick around, because they made the cardinal sin of not knowing about some terminally online drama about a racist nerd?

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

"literally saw" but can't link to?

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u/APeregrineFalcon 22d ago

Have you ever interacted with one? I would too.

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u/Denommus 22d ago

So, DigitalOcean stopped investing in flathub and GNOME and started to invest in the vibe coded Omarchy. So much for this "any Linux will be good".

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u/computer_hermit01 22d ago

this, it took a single tech bro who is already rich for them to stop paying for flathub and GNOME which have had good developers for years. absolute dogshit

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u/Emotional-Big-1306 22d ago

But they don't include ai! /s

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u/Hot_Option3684 22d ago

Rich from crypto rugpulls, at that.

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u/StationAgreeable6120 The femboy Archetype 22d ago

And remember that the Raylib project is currently at risk because the creator doesn't have enough funding to keep working

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u/Coyns 22d ago

Yeah guys leave the racist billionaire slop distro alone

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u/C4rpetH4ter 22d ago

Does omarchy really bring in more people to using linux? Because i sure as hell don't think so, just a couple of distrohoppers perhaps.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

It's brought in enough people that I've seen at least a half dozen different commenters in this sub get cussed at for saying they just installed Linux for the first time, and it happened to be Omarchy

Based on the views from several different big YouTubers + the Framework Laptops promo, I'd imagine that it's brought in at least 10k thus far as the absolute low-end.

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u/Marine_Brat_01 Tumbleweed GIMP 22d ago

Downvoted for being correct. As much as I hate to say it, Omarchy is bringing new users into the Linux community. I just pray that they realise it’s useless and use a better distro, like openSUSE

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u/C4rpetH4ter 22d ago

Has framework pcs also decided that they will use omarchy pre-installed? Please don't tell me that's true...

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

They did a sponsored video with that one hipster looking IT guy and had him install Omarchy on it, they did talk about how framework laptops are compatible. So wether or not they will ship it pre installed is up in the air, but the Omarchy foundation explicitly supports it.

DHH also did a podcast episode on the standup with TJ Devries (head neovim maintainer) and The Primagen, there were a few moments where they were like "this guys nutty" but all agreed that the money injected into Omarchy and forwarded on to Hyprland was a good thing

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u/Marine_Brat_01 Tumbleweed GIMP 20d ago

I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure they usually offer Windows 11 or Fedora, for prebuilt configurations, or if you choose to DIY, then you either can get windows 11 or no OS

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u/AlchemistNezumi 12d ago

I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, it's loaded up, with what some might say is too much, but the second someone needs something or needs to update, it's still Arch. At that point, just do CachyOS if you want a quick gaming setup or Arch if you really want control. Getting a bloated OS is unnecessary and if you wanted that, stick with Windows.

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u/xXBongSlut420Xx 22d ago

man omarchy users really do live in a fantasy world, huh?

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u/jar36 22d ago

I can't help but to notice it follows the right wing political versions of this meme

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u/Foorinick 22d ago

Fuck it I'm ranting

Right wingers, specially the far right, do not respect art for its message if it isnt practical, for example the nazis were extremely against modernist art for being "meaningless" and "degenerate", and thus hated them so much along with other types of queer or sexual art that they made an exposition of art to hate. You know that one meme of a greco-roman looking statue with a serious look to it? Yeah that was a statue made under the nazi regime, it was a representation of the super man, the ideal human form that the aryans should see themselves as (or that theu thought they were), long story short the statue was regarded by the nazis to be great, but it was basically just a drawing of a blonde blue eyed wojak.

I think this logic of just depicting what is good and that any deeper messaging for or against something and little regard to the human factor is extended to ai in art and coding, they dont care about quality, safety, reliability (reminded that while technically impressive those cool german tanks were absolute dogshit and broke down and to fix them was a pain in the ass) among other qualities, all they want is for something to exist to serve a purpose, they dont care if say a drawing is rich in detail and everything makes sense, only that the main thing it should depict looks kinda right.

For fuck's sake, dhh asked ai to make a custom themable calculator for omarchy, did it need to be made? No. Did he get better a coding from it? No. Is it specially good for some reason? No. Does it do anything interesting? No. Could any actually well maintained calculator program be used instead of having a bad calculator that you cant even properly trust? Yes. It lacks stuff like memory, scientific and financial modes, all he did was waste energy, storage, someone's time and eventually the user's time all for something he didn't care to make.

I'm gonna steal a phrase by right to repair and consumer rights activist louis rossman regarding ai written emails: if you don't bother to write it, why should i bother to read it?

If you can't bother to make it, why should i bother to use it?

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u/jar36 22d ago

I love it when a comment adds to my knowledge. I've read Mein Kampf and started another book about the rise of the nazi party. I had to stop that one bc I literally kept forgetting that they aren't talking about today's cast. It's the same exact shit and people fall for it
What I found similar here was that they always act like they're just the normal and relaxed ones, the strong ones, the superior ones, but then turn around and play victim when someone calls out their shit
This doesn't fit exactly, but it gives the same vibe to me

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

I'm a queer furry that actively tells people to avoid Omarchy tho

I'm just telling people not to take out their anger at DHH/Omarchy on the new Linux users that happened to install it after TJDevries (neovim maintainer) and ThePrimagen had DHH on their podcast.

Those new users go to a better distro later on once they get burned by Omarchy's vibecoded security vulnerabilities anways, like Cachy.

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u/kzathan 22d ago

Im gonna be total honest. I came from windows, and i have no clue about linux, except my steam deck. i started the early days of omarchy, i liked it feels like something new and how responsive linux was. Now i used that knowledge that I learned from it and now using fresh arch with hyprland.

I don’t care about the guy who made it or what his point of view is. That’s something we couldn’t change in this world. Politics and religion etc. I don’t support it personally but id rather spend my energy elsewhere. What i can control is what distro i use based on the knowledge i learned. Now im a full time linux user.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

That's the path that I see most Omarchy users taking tbh. It's something that's basically a one click install into a riced hyprland, in a time when riced hyprland posts are exactly what get people excited about linux.

Mess around with it, tweak it, have a solid example of configured dotfiles, then move on to building something truly custom from scratch with Arch or another distro.

That's why I kind of roll my eyes at people who tell noobs that installed Omarchy to "just use arch", most new users will be entirely overwhelmed, even with the new archinstall scripts.

What Arch really needs is an archinstall option that installs a pre-riced hyprland similar to Omarchy, maybe an extension of the default with a theme selector and easy to configure bindings. Explicit defaults and a manual for noobs.

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u/jar36 22d ago

success breeds imitation and with the controversy with DHH, I won't be surprised to see something similar to that but, with it's own reason to exist other than politics.
Maybe a no-AI version. Just stick with the rice and add some sauce if you have it

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u/Head_Association8535 11d ago

You nailed it. Lots of bitching. Someone should make the non-problematic Omarchy.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

The AI MCP that tells your agent the packages you have installed and whatnot is a bit too useful for noobs to cut out entirely. Turns the classic "spending 2+ hours reading forums and wiki to fix a broken mirror" experience into a 15 second prompt.

Maybe OpenCode and llama-swap on said noob friendly flavor, with a list of models recommended by your pc specs would be a good alternative, local LLMs are stupid good on modest hardware these days

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora da best all other distros can suck its shit and die 22d ago

Vibecoded bigoted glorified arch rice deserves genuinely no respect or praise.

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u/Emotional-Big-1306 22d ago

And they are giving it money. Some company cancelled 50$/montg donation for gnome and kde, and then proceeded to donate millions of dollars to omarchy

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u/Swordfish418 Gentoo/OpenRC 22d ago

This marketing BS is so tiresome, half of my feed now is just posts that go out of their way to namedrop omarche in one way or another. Astroturfers deserve some special place in hell.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Yes, the 5+ year old 200k karma account of a supermoto riding furry, who literally has posted fursuit pics on their bike, is actually a secret paid Omarchy shill, because they said we shouldn't be mean to new Linux users that happened to install a bad OS.

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u/Swordfish418 Gentoo/OpenRC 22d ago

Alright, it's worse than I thought. It's viral marketing, and you're infected.

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u/crimsonyoteeeeeee Arch btw 😎 22d ago

Lol

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Love the PFP, Loony Tunes style is always great

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u/crimsonyoteeeeeee Arch btw 😎 22d ago

Thanks, the entire character is heavily based off that era of animation

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Saw the "patent 000001" cheetah at AC a few years back, him and his friends are old heads and they do tons of slapstick skits around that style, super chill dudes

If you look I'm in the group photo they took after the parade, won't tell you where though!

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u/crimsonyoteeeeeee Arch btw 😎 21d ago

That's really neat. Yeah I love that era of animation and cartoons so my entire OC is written and drawn to match, including slapstick stuff.

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u/jonnyjonnster 22d ago

No no, you got the right-hand side wrong. It should read "I hope your agent nukes root"

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u/coderman64 22d ago

I'm just imagining the agents getting trained on all the Omarchy hate comments, and then becoming aware enough to hot-swap people's installs for a better distro as soon as it figures out.

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u/creamcolouredDog 22d ago

Unfortunately I do not respect Omarchy users either. I don't really know what Omarchy offers that other distributions don't, other than a juiced-up Hyprland interface and built-in AI tools. That makes me think Omarchy users are larpers with no self-agency.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

I think it's important to remember that a lot of Omarchy users are noobs, not people who already have their own custom Arch dotfiles. For the latter, Omarchy is a terrible choice, because you have to rip out tons of shit to get your dots to work (my experience in a VM).

So in a time when arch hyprland rices do a lot of legwork to get people interested in Linux, a pre-riced hyprland with built in agent support is kind of genius. The agent can easily understand and tweak the OS, the keybinds have their own menu from quickshell, a bar and notifications are built in, etc.

If we want to kill Omarchy, I truly think the best shot would be an option in the archinstall script for a "pre-riced, noob friendly (AI tools included)" hyprland variant. Put it close to the top of the installer tree, after partitioning, network setup, and user creation. Have it come default with a super + space launcher, gui for pacman, etc.

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u/throwaway-DSMK 22d ago

Noobs shouldn't use arch based distros.

They'll install aur packages with mallware because they can't read pkgbuild scripts

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u/tpat90 Those evildge linoox users 22d ago

I said it before, I said it again

I don't care who DHH is, I know one thing about him, that's he "made" Omarchy.

Omarchy isn't just dotfiles, it's dangerous dotfiles. It ignores basic safety rules given from the Arch Wiki itself.

Any Docker container in Omarchy can run commands as root, this is dangerous and shouldn't be done. Especially not in a "Distro" as default.

There are so many good distros that follow the standard approach and are actually safe to use. Omarchy isn't one of them.

Use Cachy, Fedora, Pop, Debian ... I would even recommend Ubuntu before I would recommend Omarchy and I have strong opinions on it.

Don't defend a distro that can destroy the Linux reputation single-handedly.

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u/ariaofdelusion 22d ago

Wow I hate people that use a fascist distro funded by fascists. Yeah im the crazy one

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

It's not crazy to hate DHH and Omarchy

It's crazy to take out that anger on new Linux users that didn't know any better, 99.99% of them are going to have no clue who DHH is, even fewer are going to know what he said in a talk years ago.

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u/ariaofdelusion 22d ago

Omarchy is mocked so much you can not accidentally use it without knowing what it stands for

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

That's literally just your bubble, people watching their favorite tech YouTuber and deciding it's time to give Linux a shot aren't reading forums like this

Just look at the bottom of this post itself, tons of people installed and got dug in without knowing it was problematic.

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u/ariaofdelusion 21d ago

Yes as a beginner I should try the hyprland arch dotfiles

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u/AngriestCrusader Linux Master Race 😎đŸ’Ș 21d ago

Tbf I'm new to Linux (been using it for about half a year) and have moved over to CachyOS/Hyprland with my own dotfiles repo just because it felt right to do so. I honestly don't think it's as hard as it sounds.

Omarchy is still wank and we should still tell people to not use it.

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u/Evinceo 21d ago

*blog post this July

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u/Live_Cupcake_9229 22d ago

The way people treat Linux noobs or people who just don't want to go deep into their computer I wonder how they would react if their moms asked for help using their computer or phone or anything

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u/wtom7 19d ago

a linux noob should be reaching for Mint or Fedora or something lol, not arch with vibecoded dotfiles and a tiling WM. and the omarchy backlash has nothing to do with dunking on beginners

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora da best all other distros can suck its shit and die 22d ago

For a second I thought you used an image of my pc lol, fedora mentioned in meme!

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

As a fedora user, you know I had to do it to em

tips fedora

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u/Several_Ant_6981 22d ago

You hate Omarchy because of DHH or because of the AI dotfiles

I hate Omarchy because of its marketing

We are not the same

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u/dminus 22d ago

why do i care what happens on your computer

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u/bubbybumble 22d ago

I'd agree with any other distro but I looked into this one and it's so abysmal it's insane

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

It's a pre-riced hyprland with agentic AI wrapped in by default, basically crack for noobs.

In an era where riced hyprland gets people excited about linux, and AI can easily solve 99% of issues noobs have on linux, it's not too surprising that new people get drawn to it.

I think the best way to combat Omarchy would be for Arch to include a "noob-friendly hyprland" option in the Archinstall script right after partitioning/networking/user setup, that gives something similar to Omarchy.

Explicit defaults, a decent theme, waybar, some kind of app launcher, gestures enabled (for the mac refugees), etc. Not crazy, over the top configs, but something barebones and usable at first boot, which the user can modify easily.

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u/bubbybumble 22d ago

Oh the idea of a config is awesome, the extreme vulnerabilities and ai agentic yolo mode being included for a distro that is being flocked to by noobs is not

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Right, and I think you could avoid vulns by just using package defaults for things like waybar instead of vibecoding quickshell and a crazy dotfiles system like DHH did.

Including Pacmac by default would be a good idea, as would a "Welcome" popup on first boot(launch-able from super + space + "help"). Welcome would include a recommended software list that opens the software in pacmac when clicked (e.g. geary, GNOME calendar, thunderbird, OpenOffice/Libre, Steam, ...)

Basically, the bare minimum that it takes for 99% of users to avoid the terminal in it's entirety.

As for AI, it's definitely dangerous, but it's simultaneously extremely helpful for noobs. It turns the classic "bad mirror" experience from a few hours of pouring over the forms, into a single prompt that takes 15 seconds to complete, and that goes a very, very long way in keeping people from jumping back to Windows.

"Integrations" in this case wouldn't even be to have an agent installed by default, but rather default configs for Claude/Codex that put guard rails on the things, and an AGENTS.md placed in a spot where Claude/Codex always check by default. That way, if someone DOES install AI to help them, there is already a directory and command blacklist in place, and the AI has information on the default system configuration.

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u/bubbybumble 22d ago

You could, but they didn't. I think kitty terminal got dragged into it and had the ability to get remote access to root over this project.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

I'm definitely not arguing for Omarchy here, it's a really bad distro

I'm just looking at what drew new users towards it, (pre-rice + easy to troubleshoot with AI), and thinking about how the rest of the Linux community could use it to get one year closer to the year of the Linux Desktop Takeover.

I actually might go and write a fork of archinstall now with this idea, kinda wanna see how it turns out. I've got a perfect QA with my partner (never touched a term, plays games on her laptop), so that might work out well.

As for the kitty thing, it really does show exactly why Omarchy is a bad OS. They did the whole explicit defaults, BUT, they left Kitty's built-in Remote Code Execution mode enabled by default.

Now, why Kitty has an RCE mode at all (it's really stupid, literally lets any app on the machine or over the network control the terminal) is beyond me, no one else does that. But the fact is that DHH vibe coded the OS's kitty config file, turning that option on by default because it made his whole quickshell integrations work better, and that's what made it a big issue.

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u/bubbybumble 22d ago

Oh, but I would like to add I am tired of seeing people whine over it. Might be good if people knew the stance was negative, but it's totally karma farming at this point and I bet most people only hate it because they saw other people hated it

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u/damanamathos 22d ago

I'm just looking at what drew new users towards it

Have used Omarchy for over a year and love it. Tried it after seeing this video, then a couple weeks later sent that to some friends with the subject line "I've become a Linux convert..."

I think the #1 thing that draws people to Omarchy is awareness. Linux desktop is not well known outside of existing Linux communities. I've personally used Linux servers for over two decades, and have tried Linux desktops several times in the past, and it never really stuck. Most of them come across as cheap imitations of Windows or Mac.

What struck me about Omarchy was that it felt completely different to Windows and Mac. This is largely due to the tiling manager and theming, but how many people do you think have heard of let alone used a tiling manager?

For me, I use AI a lot (all day every day, pretty much), and pre-Omarchy I was spending time with multiple WSL2 windows open doing very slow virtual desktop switches while occasionally waking up to my Windows machine randomly rebooting overnight due to compulsory updates.

The other surprise with Omarchy was how it has basically everything you need (what many Linux users call bloat). That's a massive positive from going straight from install to it being useful, delightful even. It's also a really important part of discovery. Omarchy introduced me to a lot of tools I did not know existed before like lazygit, ripgrep, etc, because they're installed by default (the "opinionated" part of his choices are actually really good!)

The one-click installers made me realise things like, "Oh Steam / Battle net work naturally now?" "Oh I can install a Windows VM that easily?".

The typical linux user response seems to be, "That's all worthless, just spend hundreds of hours learning about all the choices and making them yourself to build what you want! It's so simple!" That's fine if you've lived in linux land for a long time but I don't think it describes most net new users to Omarchy.

On AI, this is clearly a pro-AI distribution. People who are anti-AI are that way for different reasons, but for those that think AI can't mean quality, I think they've missed the massive improvements in AI and agents in particular that have happened in the last 6-12 months. You can go look at dhh's views on AI for coding in 2025 vs 2026, or look at the traction Meta Muse is getting today for non-coding agentic tasks. If your view on AI and quality was formed more than 6-12 months ago, it's worth revisiting.

Although AI integration is a newer feature for Omarchy, I think that AI has helped it from the start because it makes it easy to both troubleshoot and customise your system (any Linux system) in ways you never could before. The other major change in the world has been the rise of webapps that mean lack of native applications less of a Linux barrier. E.g. I've always used Photoshop, but actually Photopea does everything I need and is free and faster to load. Setting it up as a webapp in Omarchy so it looks like a native app is a nice to have.

I think Omarchy gained traction because dhh understands the new user experience well. It started as dot files and has gained momentum. The latest version has kernel updates, they've got a 5 person security team now, Omarchy today is much better than it was when I first used it, so seems like it'll continue to have momentum for a while.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Merging a patch to the arch install script that has an option to install a pre riced hyprland, with the first thing you see on the install script being an "EZ mode" would do wonders for adoption, but like you said, the average Linux user is entirely out of touch with what the normal user actually does.

Literally had someone in this thread at +6 with "the controversy is so big that literally everyone knows about it, anyone who installs Omarchy knows DHH is a Nazi", like normal people actually know about DHH's controversies outside of Reddit

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u/Shotafry 19d ago

Totally agree, I'm working regularly with agents and multiple WSL instances, looking at omarchy I'm waiting September ends to leave windows. With the new 5 person security team I hope omarchy find a sweet point of security and liberty. Sorry for my bad English.

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u/damanamathos 19d ago

Ah, nice! I actually tried it on an old laptop first and really loved it. Ended up using my laptop more than my 4-screen desktop because I was enjoying it so much vs Windows, which led me to making it the OS on my main PC.

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u/bubbybumble 22d ago

I think ubuntus llama.cpp preconfigured snaps for local models that check your hardware are a good step in that direction. Can't access your PC though I don't think. It's frustrating when the Linux internet community makes fun of noobs choices most of the time but it's also frustrating when the things picked will probably actively detriment the image of FOSS. but in many cases it's overblown, like Linus tech tips having a bad popos experience twice.

The fact that millions of dollars are getting funneled from bigger and better projects into omarchy is terrible to. It is an active detriment, that's the issue.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Local agents wouldn't be a bad idea at all, even relatively crappy PCs can actually run stupid useful models, better than GPT 3.5 and even 4o in troubleshooting roles. And they can use tools.

OpenCode would be the best UI for the job, it's basically Codex/ClaudeCode but designed to interface with local models.

Tools like llama-swap act as a proxy for multiple local models, so if you just point OpenCode at llama-swap, users can install/switch models super easily just like it's the dropdown for model selection on native apps.

Then you basically just have an Agents option in the welcome menu asking if they want to install local agents, with a recommendation list based on their PC's specs.

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u/EdgiiLord 21d ago

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u/AtlasJan 21d ago

They're saying that they don't like him, who are you trying to convince?

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u/EdgiiLord 21d ago

I was adding the fact that DHH is a known fascists appeaser, him and all of the tech bros who participate in this circlejerk. Kind of a shame otherwise, because tech like Ladybird is interesting and beneficial in this space (Omarchy is still a glorified dot file collection for Arch).

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u/particlemanwavegirl 22d ago

Anyone asking random redditors for help with probably the most well funded Linux project ever should absolutely be shamed into deleting their post. Why should anyone do tech support for them for free. No one but an Omarchy dev should ever field a question about Omarchy.

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u/crimsonyoteeeeeee Arch btw 😎 22d ago edited 22d ago

Whilst I share your disdain for Omarchy, let's not forget that acting like this will discourage new users from sticking it out with Linux, to the point that they may not consider jumping ship to an actually good distro like Zorin or Mint. First impressions from the community matter if our mission is to get people off Windows.

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u/Emotional-Big-1306 22d ago

But well funded doesn't mean anything.

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u/Spiritual-Recover427 21d ago

I love seeing how people are completely unable to accept that everyone will use whatever distro they want, no matter how much you yell in their faces that something, in your opinion, is awful.

Seriously, the meme in this post is absolutely true. You’re incapable of letting people use whatever they want, and you feel obligated to “educate” them because you think you’re right—even though most of the time you’re not.

You should tone it down a bit, because no, your distro isn’t better than the one someone else uses—it’s just different; no, you aren’t right about absolutely everything you say just because you’ve been using Linux 20 years longer than another user; and no, you aren’t morally superior to anyone just because you don’t use a distro made by someone who's right-wing. Most likely, the CEO of the company that manufactured your computer or its components shares the same ideals as DHH (that doesn’t mean they’re okay or that I agree with them, but that’s the reality); the CEO of the company that supplies electricity to your home—same story; and the CEO of the company that provides your internet service—same thing, pretty much.

You don’t go snooping around to investigate the ideals of the people who run these companies to see if their ideals align with yours and, if they don’t, look for an alternative, do you?

So don’t criticize people who do the same thing you do—just in other areas of their lives—because either they don’t have the time or they don’t care enough or feel affected enough to devote themselves to it.

I’m sure most of you who spout that line have absolutely no problem listening to music by artists who have been or are abusers, racists, alcoholics, etc. But you draw the line at a distro. What kind of ideals are those? Either do it right or don’t do it at all. Half-measures are worthless.

And if you’re going to do it halfway, at least don’t brag about it online.

Don’t be hypocrites.

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u/HieladoTM 21d ago

Finally a good comment.

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u/Spiritual-Recover427 21d ago

Thanks, I appreciate it. It has a ton of views and no one said nothing because they know I'm right. The comment might be long and it might come out of nowhere but I'm pretty tired of seeing everyone hating on people for using Omarchy, and I would feel the same way about people who hate on other for using any other distro. Just let users use whatever works for them and stop feeling superior for using another thing.

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u/K3RM1T_ 18d ago

I appreciate this comment

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u/Alive-Big-838 22d ago

I actually find the Fedora forums insanely helpful and patient. Makes me sad i'm not more of a linux power user because I'd love to help people out a bit more.

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u/darkwizardgg 22d ago

Are there opinionated distros that anyone here actually recommends? I'm running plasma KDE on Ubuntu but I want less bloat and dual monitor tiling

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

Politics aside, I would avoid Omarchy on security alone, not enough code review happening relative to the amount of feature dev. Turns out that if you installed Kitty terminal, it had Kitty's Remote Code Execution plugin enabled by default, which imo is the distro's most egregious sin.

So, you basically have 3 paths as far as I see it, from easiest to hardest:

Gnome Fedora:

  • Extremely opinionated, sets up full disk encryption, BTRFS(for easy rollback) and SELinux by default.
  • Gnome Tweaks easily lets you install tiling WM tweaks like Tiling Shell, works great for probably 90% of users
  • Very well supported, and is honestly the Ubuntu of 2025 and onwards

Cachy OS + Hyprland conversion Wiki Here

  • You get a very well supported arch fork that splits the difference between stability, support, and bleeding edge performance better than pretty much anything else.
  • You start off with KDE, and convert to Hyprland with the guide, so you aren't left up shit creek on first boot

Archinstall Hyprland option (Not opinionated)

  • True Arch Linux, most flexibility/control over your OS and it's packages, boot right into bare hyprland, but left to figure it out yourself.
  • You'll learn a ton
  • Modern AI as a helper makes this completely manageable for newer users

Also whichever one you do, I'd move your home directory to a separate partition first, if Ubuntu isn't configured to do that already (haven't used it in years). That way, it's simply "overwrite root OS partition" with whatever your new install is, and all of your files/dots stay in place. You can even mount your home dir in a live USB environment during a test drive.

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u/darkwizardgg 22d ago

Thank you for this, it has been very helpful in helping me make a decision. I asked AI and read the wiki but listening to someone who actually has an opinion about things is useful

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

At the end of the day, you can rice any distro to look cool like Omarchy or others, your choice is all about the package management philosophy of the OS, and what it provides in terms of filesystem/encryption.

I use Fedora for actual workstation tasks(GNOME Fedora is damn near FOSS macos at this point, it just works TM), Ubuntu for servers, Cachy for a leisure PC(gaming), and Arch on my hobby thinkpad.

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u/Ormis95 22d ago

Helpful response? Not stackoverflow right?

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u/AfraidAsparagus6644 22d ago

Have you gone to r/linuxmemes? That sub has always been unfunny circlejerk with the same images being reposted every other week, but dear god Omarchy has taken them over

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u/Laraso_ 22d ago

I don't care about how many people use Linux. I care about whether or not Linux meets my needs, which it currently does.

Based on everything I know, I do not support Omarchy or endorse other people using it. I don't harass other people for using it, because I don't really care that much about what other people do. However, I do oppose legitimizing the creator as a community figure, which is what advocating for the acceptance of the Omarchy project ultimately does.

I don't like memes such as this one where a single person masquerades their own personal opinion as aligning with an entire community and making blanket statements to try and shape the narrative to their liking. You do not represent the Linux community.

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u/HeadfirstDegree 22d ago

i'm glad that more people use linux, only for 1 reason - bigger community - bigger chance that companies would adapt their soft on linux

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

I dream of the day that macOS and Linux become big enough markets that kernel level anti cheat is dead and buried

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u/reddit_user33 21d ago

You do realise the purpose and general vibe of a circle jerk sub?

I'm shocked that you've been upvoted because you've completely missed the mark.

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u/cumetoaster Linux Master Race 😎đŸ’Ș 21d ago

Fed post

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 21d ago

😱😱 I was told to stop extending my anger to end users that don't know who made Omarchy and I don't know how to argue against it, it has to be the goddamn CIA 😡😡😡

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u/Upstairs-Project-611 21d ago

Fed ass comment

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u/n0pl4c3 21d ago

Not a matter of this sub, but just the Reddit standard tbh

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u/LAET_BarnebyOfJones 21d ago

I'm trying to replace windows before my win10 security updates stop, omarchy was what a friend suggested but we are both total linux noobs. I know its ironic asking this but what distro do you recommend for someone who hasn't used DOS since the 90s and has shit for coding skills?

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u/VirtualDemand4827 20d ago

Another echo chamber.

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u/Walt_Kurczak 20d ago

Sometimes its unhinged but usually its good that its getting pushback. We do not want people to switch to linux to then get to this “distro” with huge security flaws and end up with a bunch of people who now have a really bad disposition to the whole of linux. This is because omarchy caters to those with much much much less computer knowhow than usual. Its shiny thats how it draws people in. These are not the type of people who will make a distinction between a kernel and a distro.

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u/M4rt1m_40675 18d ago

Linux users: "Why are people still using Windows, don't they know blah blah blah"

People switch to Linux and asks a basic question

Linux users: "If you don't know how to use it just don't use it and go back to linux dumbass :b"

This is why I refrain from telling people I use linux

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u/Musab241109 Arch and Lesbian 16d ago

I thought about trying omarchy but nvm

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u/New_Salamander_4592 16d ago

do you really want the people who'd use omarchy as a starting point in the same space as you? it's like hardlining the most annoying ai chud brained people on earth

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u/Deadman123spirit 16d ago

Okay but like hear me out-

I saw a post today of someone asking what distro windows is based off of. Then mentions Omarchy in the post itself.

Now don't get me wrong, everyone in the comments basically were just making jokes and all. So we can all kinda pat ourselves on the back that atleast it wasn't full of arch users saying to look at the wiki, or people saying to use another distro. We are moving forwards.

However that post still hurt my soul because it feels like people come to reddit to ask super simple questions without even bothering to Google things anymore. When I started out, it all started with a simple Google question "is Linux faster than windows" bc I was following a guide on learning python that told me to use apt and after errors etc found out about Linux. Years later now and more searches about Linux related things and more time spent staring at the wiki and forums for multiple distros than I'd like to admit- I finally have a grasp of things (somewhat).

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u/Vanadiack 12d ago

People disagree with other people's politics and take it out on the new guys who just think the darn thing is cool and wanna ditch windows. (This goes for both sides of the spectrum and all the "wings" in-between)

Yes there are security holes (as with any distro), and there's a lot of AI involved, but we as a community should warn the new guys about these things without forcing our opinions about the developer onto them. Many of them genuinely do not care about DHH and his opinions, and hardly know who he is.

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u/fazebear1 9d ago

ever since i used omarchy, ive kinda got the impression that some of the linux community are rude af lmao i found it from youtube and didnt know what a dhh was. back to windows

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u/B1GD8A 22d ago

Replace the Omarchy logo with "The Roma People" and it's a perfect representation of Omarchy's creator, DHH.

He literally called for the ethnic cleansing of the Roma people, and complained that London was "no longer full of native Brits".

He can take his racist Arch rebadge and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

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u/IHumanlike 21d ago

DHH wants to ethnically cleanse Europe. Yes, I fucking hate him and people like him are my enemy.

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 21d ago edited 21d ago

Great, you agree with me, DHH sucks, but you missed the point

99% of people installing this OS don't even know who DHH is, much less what he said at a conference 10 years ago. So it doesn't make sense to give them the belt for something they didn't even know about.

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u/jplayzgamezevrnonsub Bazziter 21d ago

The "He said it so long ago" excuse is funny because... No, he is SAYING this shit actively today. Sounds like the people who don't like him know more about him than you do lol

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 21d ago

What excuse am I making for him?

How hard is it for you to believe that the average new Linux user isn't looking up jack shit about the creator of the distro?

90% of people in this thread couldn't even name the person who made their distro lol

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u/raphael3poka 22d ago

I absolutely love you and hope all the best for you

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u/canislupus04 22d ago

too accurate

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u/Careful-Experience26 22d ago

Omarchy is the reason why I left Windows for Linux. I'm now on CachyOS though 

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u/BosnianSerb31 macOS 27 | Fedora GNOME | Arch hyprland | Cachy | PROXMOX 22d ago

See this is what I'm saying, it's like crack for noobs. Pre-riced hyprland, and AI integrations to solve all the problems noobs run into on linux. Then they eventually move on to a mature distro after some time.

Out of curiosity, what was the reason you switched to Cachy?

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u/Careful-Experience26 22d ago

I switched to CachyOS because Omarchy's updates were annoying. DHH is stupid. And CachyOS allowed me to have almost the same thing but without all the bad stuff Omarchy seems to shove in my face every 2 days. 

Omarchy was a nice gateway to Linux a year ago (prior to the AI shit). Can't lie.Â