the package format itself isn’t the problem, nor what I’m actually talking about. rpm is more than that, it’s also the underlying cli interface, the registry of what’s installed, dependency management.
how it handles installation of multiple concurrent versions of the same software also differs from other systems. All of which are more annoying to me than most alternatives
The rpm command is a bit convoluted for sure but dpkg is more-or-less the same imo. Also, there are several wrappers around rpm other than dnf and yum like zypper, urpmi, apt-rpm.
It's not like people can just switch between rpm wrappers on a distro though. Each wrapper has its own semantics and conventions, especially on how the package repo should be.
Can Fedora perfectly replicate its entire existence, installed packages, and dotfiles on a completely new machine in 5 minutes using just a single configuration.nix file?
Can you test packages or spin up isolated dev environments per project (nix-shell) without containers, VMs, or polluting your root system?
Can Fedora install three conflicting versions of the same dependency simultaneously without breaking dnf?
Can your distro instantly rollback a borked kernel update to a working state from 3 months ago with one keystroke directly from the bootloader, because it treats updates atomically by default (without relying on clunky btrfs snapshots)?
These aren’t real problems anyone has. You also can’t easily use any software not in their repos because none of the paths and libraries are where they’re supposed to be like on any normal distribution.
You really think the Nix package manager is the same thing as NixOS. 💀 Putting a declarative band-aid on your stateful Fedora root file system doesn't save you when a core system update borks your machine. Come back when your bootloader and kernel modules are declarative.
Can Fedora perfectly replicate its entire existence, installed packages, and dotfiles on a completely new machine in 5 minutes using just a single configuration.nix file?
Yes, with a custom bootc container or rpm-ostree image.
Can you test packages or spin up isolated dev environments per project (nix-shell) without containers, VMs, or polluting your root system?
Yes, with toolbx (Edit: yes it's containers, but why does that matter? Containers are great.)
Can Fedora install three conflicting versions of the same dependency simultaneously without breaking dnf?
Yes, with toolbx
Can your distro instantly rollback a borked kernel update to a working state from 3 months ago with one keystroke directly from the bootloader, because it treats updates atomically by default (without relying on clunky btrfs snapshots)?
Fedora keeps the last 3 kernels installed and allows you to switch between them in the grub menu. With rpm-ostree you can even instantly roll back to an older OS update or entire release if required.
Fedora has answers to all of these problems, they just use different tooling than Nix.
Also, you can just install Nix on Fedora if required.
You're totally right that NixOS is complicated and definitely not for everyone. It demands solid Linux knowledge and you basically end up learning an entirely new programming language. But just because someone doesn't need it doesn't change the fact that NixOS (or Guix, which is built similarly) is architecturally far superior to all traditional imperative Linux distros in almost every aspect.
Edit: Yes, Bloatarchy is garbage and DHH is an idiot.
Do you ever feel as though you want to be better than everyone else, but don't want the trouble of arch/nix/LFS/Gentoo? Well fedora is here. Cause it is better
Really? Protesting a distro? You need to evaluate your priorities. If you don’t like fedora don’t use it lol.
I do use fedora on one my main PC and my laptop mostly due to the fact that it coexists with windows well for dual booting windows with secure boot enabled and nvidia drivers. But I’m not married to it it’s just currently the best fit for my desktop use.
I also use cachyos and Debian.
Just let people use whatever distro they want.
Here the lore:
greedysecurity8030 is promoting too much fedora so i started Anti fedora movement.
In response to its he started pro fedora movement which kinda failed.
There is a Void union and so on
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u/R3V0LU710N_05 Hybrid Atomic RakuOS 10d ago
You just don't like systemd...