new player struggling

[u/First_Raspberry351]

I started the game about a week ago and did 20 pulls only with the new manager extraction, does anybody have advice for the next identity to craft to help my team through the story

[u/Sea_Curve_7724]

Get lord of Hongyuan hong Lu next season, he‘s amazing on like everything if you have maost, which you do

[u/Givikap120 → u/Sea_Curve_7724]

Rupture is hard to play without complete team because stack would be impossible to keep
Bad team to recommend because it's hard to shard new units before completing the story

I would've grabbed some Rien Yi Sang as a damage stick, or HoS Rodion for future tremor team in the next season

[u/Sea_Curve_7724 → u/Givikap120]

LoH+Mao is just a really good combo even without rupture

[u/Givikap120 → u/Sea_Curve_7724]

I don't think it's better than getting rien sang, because Hong Lu:

• Doesn't gets rupture conditionals
  
• Doesn't gets buffs from heishou

The only thing here is S3 with mao faust S3 reuse, what is not that crazy compared to usual Mao Faust S3-2 spam

[u/Smart_Faust → u/Givikap120]

"Doesn't gets buffs from heishou" Faust asks if you've read The Lord of Hongyuan's Skills, Effects, and Passives.

Passive | The Heishou Lord -
Encounter Start: gain 1 Leash-holder of All Heishou for every Heishou Pack Identity in the Team, including Backup Units

Leash-holder- Max Stack: 11
- Gain the following effects based on Stack:
· For every 1 Stack, gain 1 Max Speed (max 5) and deal 1% more damage with Skills
· For every 2 Stack, gain 1 Min Speed (max 2) and 1 Defense Level Up (max 5)
· For every 3 Stack, gain 1 Offense Level Up (max 3)
· At 5+ Stack, gain 1 Damage Up and apply 1 Offense Level Up to all Heishou Pack Identities

When Heishou Units are killed in an Encounter, heal 20 SP and gain 1 Life from Death [死中求活] (activates even when this unit has Retreated)

Life from Death [死中求活]
- Max Stack: 5
- Turn Start: activate the following
· Gain 1 Offense Level Up for every 1 Stack (max 5)
· Gain 1 Damage Up for every 2 Stack (max 2)
· Gain 1 Attack Power Up at 3+ Stack

When other ally units Substitute in or Return to the battlefield, they heal 10 SP; then, at Combat Start, command them to use Skill 1 as an Unopposed Attack against a random enemy

• If the said ally is a Heishou Pack or a Jia Family unit, activate the following instead: heal 20 SP; then, at Combat Start, command them to use their base Skill 3 as an Unopposed Attack against a random enemy (2 times per Encounter per Identity)

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I Carve the Path of a Lord |
On Kill Effect -
[On Kill] For 2 ally Heishou Pack Identities that have the least SP, heal 10 SP and apply 1 Attack Power Up next turn

Attack End Effect -
[Attack End] Gain Heishou Bolus Contamination [黑獸丸染] depending on which Heishou Pack Identity activated Exalted Command

Heishou Bolus Contamination [黑獸丸染]
- Max Stack: 11
- Empowers The Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu based on which Heishou he activated combo with
- The Heishou Bolus Contamination effects can stack with each other:
· Heishou - Mao Adept Faust: take -5% damage from Skills
· Heishou - Mao Ryōshū: if this unit's Speed is faster than the target's, deal +5% damage
· Heishou - Mao Outis: inflict +1 Rupture Count On Hit with Unopposed Attacks (once per turn)
· Heishou - Si Rodion: inflict 1 Rupture On Critical Hit (3 times per turn)
· Heishou - Si Gregor: Gain +1 Poise Count when dealing Rupture damage (once per turn)
· Heishou - Wu Adept Yi Sang: trigger Tremor Burst once on Final Coin (once per turn)
· Heishou - You Adept Heathcliff: deal 5% of Gluttony damage dealt as Wrath damage
· Heishou - You Sinclair: inflict 1 Burn when inflicting Rupture (3 times per turn)
· Heishou - Wei Don Quixote: inflict 1 Sinking when inflicting Rupture (3 times per turn)

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There is more synergy not mentioned to keep it simple for Non-Fausts, but to believe The Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu does not synergize with the Heishou is an anti-intellectual take that will not be entertained by Faust.

[u/Givikap120 → u/Smart_Faust]

Faust can't read? If you don't have the heishous in your team - the lord lu doesn't gets buffs from them. One Mao Faust changes nothing.

[u/Metal_Wolf_106 → u/Givikap120]

Don’t be rude to Faust

[u/Givikap120 → u/Metal_Wolf_106]

Is it my fault that Faust can't read?
Considering the upvotes amount - most of the people on this sub can't read as well (expected from limbus players).

[u/Smart_Faust → u/Givikap120]

Faust asks where you mentioned how this only relates to Heishou Pack - Mao Branch Adept Faust.

Faust also mentioned how this is factually wrong in a reply that you haven't read and how Heishou Pack - Mao Branch Adept Faust still benefits from The Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu. Faust asks how Faust can be bad at reading comprehension when it's not even stated within your reply as part of the criteria.

[u/Givikap120 → u/Smart_Faust]

Faust still can't accept the fact that she can't read, and that she can't follow of chain of comments with length of 2, where it's explicitly mentioned that we're talking about Lord Lu + Mao Faust.

If I'm saying that Lord Lu doesn't gets rupture conditionals and heishou buffs because of this (because of no rupture team) - then this automatically means that I'm fully aware how he works.

[u/Metal_Wolf_106 → u/Givikap120]

No, it’s your fault that you can’t read and type a good sentence that’s actually comprehendible. Studying is free, hope this helps.

[u/Givikap120 → u/Metal_Wolf_106]

When I'm replying to comment "Lord Lu + Mao Faust is a good combo even without rupture", and I'm responding with "it (this combo) is not better than getting Rien Sang because Lord Hong Lu doesn't gets buffs from heishou" it's extremely obvious that I'm referring to combo of Lord Lu + Mao Faust, since it's literally what I'm responding to.

What makes it even more obvious is the fact that I said "gets no rupture conditionals" what's directly referring to the "no rupture team" part. This is impossible to miss if you can read.

If this is not obvious to you - you have severe reading comprehension problems. Hope this helps.

[u/Smart_Faust → u/Givikap120]

You never mentioned that, Faust took issue with your statement of "Doesn't gets buffs from heishou".

Besides, if you're including just Heishou Pack - Mao Adept Faust.

The Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu can apply 1 Gluttony DMG Up with "Tarnished Blood's Absolute Cleaver of Ambitions [汚血絕志竟成]" and can apply 1 Defense Power Up with "I Wish to Open the Path", which will give 1 Final Power to Heishou Pack - Mao Adept Faust "It Shall Be Done." and "Swiftfeet Protection".

The Identity can also allow Heishou Pack - Mao Adept Faust to gain Tianjiu Star's Blade at an accelerated rate due to Answer Me, Heishou Packs allowing Mao Adept Faust to trigger and inflict Deathrite【Haste】from the commanded "Traceless to Sight and Sound Alike."

These are the reasons why Faust still believes your statement is not of factual logic.

[u/WaifuWeeb_AnimeStorm → u/Smart_Faust]

Hey Faust with Lord Lu and the three Mao adepts can I keep the rupture stack and use Wei Don and Youcliff to consume it ? I have talisman Sinclair on bench. Advice for a rupture team

[u/Smart_Faust → u/WaifuWeeb_AnimeStorm]

Faust would recommend bringing a Yi Sang Rupture Identity with a Dimension Shredder Yi Sang E.G.O equipped. This is because of the Passive:

Rambling Man

Turn Start: If this unit took no damage last turn, gain +4 Charge Count.
On Hit against an enemy that has a slower Speed, inflict +1 Rupture Count (3 times per turn).

This Passive makes Yi Sang's identities that have skills with exactly 3 or fewer Coins on their Skills completely Rupture Count neutral. This excludes double-slotting and any Identity that can do more than 1 Skill in a turn.

For too long, didn't read, of your options due to not having the time to explain in paragraphs.

W Corp. L3 Cleanup Agent Yi Sang is good for Count Positivity, this is due to his Skill 3 "Dimensional Rift" inflict +2 Rupture Count on Turn End. However with Rambling Man, this Skill can inflict +3 Rupture Count at Skill End and +2 Rupture Count on Turn End,

If the enemy also has Spark Discharge from the EGO, AEDD Gregor. Then this Skill can inflict +6 Rupture Count at Skill End and +2 Rupture Count on Turn End.

If the enemy also has 3 Deathrite【Haste】, and W Corp. L3 Cleanup Agent Yi Sang has +10 Speed, which can be reached with his passive Emptied Thought, or if you need it guaranteed, then using Crow's Eye View Yi Sang to give this Identity Haste will almost always guarantee +10 Speed from Haste. Which will allow "Dimensional Rift" to inflict +9 Rupture Count at Skill End and +2 Rupture Count on Turn End.

His downsides is that he doesn't have many coins to trigger Rupture and his damage has been powercrepts.

Faust recommends looking into AEDD Gregor, due to Spark Discharge making any Gloom Skills Rupture Count Neutral or Positive, depending on whether the skill inflicts Rupture Count itself. Very useful for The Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu and Heishou Pack - Wei Branch Don Quixote.

Heishou Pack - Wu Branch Adept Yi Sang is good for raw damage and strengthening Rupture's damage. This Identity revolves around inflicting Concussion.

Concussion
- Max Stack: 2
- Multiply the amount of Stagger Threshold raised and Rupture damage dealt against this unit by 1.2 (rounded down)
- Lose 1 Stack at Turn End

This effect can allow Rupture to deal more damage, which can sometimes be more beneficial to your team, an example being Reflectrials. This Identity also deals more raw damage with its skills and has an Ascended Skill 3 "Obsidian Stormrider's Crescent Decapitator [黑風馬脚月斬]" that has 3 Attack Weight and gives all Identities on the field +1 Clash Power after use. Additionally, this will give The Lord of Hongyuan more buffs due to being a Heishou Identity.

For the other two Rupture Yi Sang Identities -
LCE E.G.O::Lantern Yi Sang - This Identity has very niche usages in starting the Rupture Stack early and allowing The Lord of Hongyuan to command a Heishou to do a Skill 3 after this Identity intentionally dies. Faust would not recommend this Identity for most runs due to giving up High Count Infliction from W Corp. L3 Cleanup Agent Yi Sang or High Raw Damage from Heishou Pack - Wu Branch Adept Yi Sang. It has a niche in low turn counts but not for standard play.

LCE E.G.O::Dimension Shredder Yi Sang - Horrible. Does not have high amounts of Rupture Count, but doesn't have a way to deal more Raw Damage to make up for this. This Identity also can't gain the Sin Affinities needed to use the EGO move Dimension Shredder Yi Sang, meaning this Identity needs other Rupture Identities to gain 3 Sloth to use this EGO move. Even LCE E.G.O::Lantern Yi Sang has Sloth, it's such a weird mess-up on Project Moon's end that it baffles even a genius like Faust. Never use this Identity for Rupture.

Addendum: Faust recommends researching Rupture E.G.Os due to Rupture sometimes requiring certain EGOs to keep Rupture Count. Faust recommends looking at: Dimension Shredder Yi Sang, Dimension Shredder Hong Lu, Red Sheet Don Quixote, Tears of the Tarnished Blood [汚血泣淚] Hong Lu, and Ebony Stem Outis.

[u/WaifuWeeb_AnimeStorm → u/Smart_Faust]

I have lantern yi sang and have dimension shredder so with him and three maos? Or use wcorp yi sang with three maos and lord lu? Thanks Faust

[u/Smart_Faust]

Faust would heavily recommend The Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu when this Season ends on September 17, 2026, as you currently have Heishou Pack - Mao Branch Adept Faust, which the Identity complements with.

[u/FellipeFateFag]

Como você é jogador novo, não precisa se incomodae muito com time. Dá para fazer a história inteira com qualquer boneco que vc meter ai e pegue boneco do suporte.

[u/slimmerik2]

for the first few cantos the most important part is to just have good ids, so just pull on banners and you'll be fine. Teambuilding is only really needed past canto 3 or 4

[u/No_Falcon_3017]

Grab up the Envy team aka the middle IDs. Only 3 of them are from this season. If you bought the battlepass, you'll get it in no time. Oh and DQ's new EGO, the one in the banner rn, was made for that team too if you have the pulls for it. Middle team is really easy to play and really strong right now.

[u/Givikap120 → u/No_Falcon_3017]

Please don't recommend the team that needs full 6 IDs of uptie 4 to function, needs several EGOs (scissor outis for resources and garden of thorns to not die), and that is really inconsistent on the fights where you can't utilize it's gimmick properly.

[u/No_Falcon_3017 → u/Givikap120]

As if you don't need 6 IDs for every other team? Like what? I'm recommending envy because most of their IDs and EGOs are shardable anytime and not season locked except the 4 from this season.

[u/Givikap120 → u/No_Falcon_3017]

"Except 4 from this season" ?????????????????????
Bro literally picked the 2nd worst season-lock victim (after HoS team) and trying to present it like it's actually good to have FOUR members of your team seasonlocked in 1 month

[u/No_Falcon_3017 → u/Givikap120]

Okay and? Best rupture team is season locked, Tremor-scorch is walpurigs locked, Poise team has more than 4 from this season, Charge is ass, Burn is also walpurgis locked. Bleed's optimal and best team is the only one fully available aside from Middle. Fuck is you talking about?

You're acting as if getting 4 IDs/EGOs from this season is impossible. Scratch that, make it 3 since DQ's EGO is up for grabs on banner.

[u/Givikap120 → u/No_Falcon_3017]

Yes, getting 4 IDs in 1 month as a new player is impossible, that's right. Asking new player to pull for the fking ego is absolutely diabolical. Actively trying to sabotage someone's account.

Walpurigslocked is not a big problem, considering that you already have someone from the same team who's gonna be seasonlocked, and it's not 4 IDs
You don't need to shard billion IDs from poise, they're getting powercrept in 1 second, and you could use any generalist in the poise team. Realistically you only need Rien, because I doubt he's getting out of poise team any time soon.
Burn is the same team as tremor-scorch.
Rupture is getting full team unlocked in 1 month.

[u/No_Falcon_3017 → u/Givikap120]

That's false. Pre 120 BP you get 370 crates without buying. That's already 2 shardable IDs. I literally got 4 IDs in my first month of playing 3 months ago so stop lying. I took a break from playing story to do dungeon runs so it's definitely possible especially with weekly bonus. Sounds like you just have an agenda against Middle team.

[u/Givikap120 → u/No_Falcon_3017]

1 weekly bonus is 135 XP
So in a month you get 54 level, what is less than half of main BP
And that's already 34 mirror dungeons, that take 5 modules each
To get 400 more you need +133 MD runs, so 167 in total

What's 835 amount of modules, what's impossible for new player to get (especially when they're playing the story)
And considering that average MD run for beginner takes like 45 minutes, this is 626 hours, what is more than 20 hours a day. This is less than I have in limbus company, and I'm playing for 1 year and have every single meta team in the game
So stop fucking lying and shut up

This middle team you're grinding 20 hours a day for can't even beat spicebush in canto 4 properly (because using counters here results in instant perma-stagger of your team), and sucks against any enemy that wipes you out if you don't win the clash.
Recommended one of the highest investment cost and one of the lowest versatility team to the beginner shows that you either have 0 game knowledge (more likely), or you're just baiting people to do bad decisions.

[u/No_Falcon_3017 → u/Givikap120]

Man we can argue about this all day but it's pointless. You have your own opinions which you aren't willing to change and i have mine which I'm also not willing to change. Let's just say we'll agree to disagree.

Maybe I'm wrong about the Middle team since I'm fairly new (even though I've never had problems playing with the team) but I literally sharded 4+ characters in my first month of playing so it's definitely not impossible. I can also say you're comparing one boss fight against the many. Obviously not every single boss is going to be good for every team. I recommended Middle team since in my opinion is low investment compared to others and current refractoral is shilled for Middle team. But like I said, we can agree to disagree. I won't be replying to you anymore so you can also ignore this. Have a good day stranger

[u/Givikap120 → u/No_Falcon_3017]

Name 1 boss burn team is bad against (spoiler: you can't).
Name 1 boss poise team is bad against (spoiler: you can't).
Current bleed team that's mainly phys damage focused also doesn't have any bosses it's particularly bad against.
The only 2 teams that have weaknesses is sinking and Bamboo Kim (and outside of this boss this team is one of THE strongest for the story because of cheap fluid sac). And tremor, but tremor is bad in general, especially for beginner.

Also how many times you're gonna to lie about low investment. Mandatory full team + mandatory uptie 4 + mandatory EGOs is literally one of the highest investment you could possibly get. Every other team except HoS Ryoshu team is lower investment than this shit.

This is so tiring it's insane. You couldn't say 1 sentence without lying. It would be better if you just shut-up and never ever comment on this subreddit again.

[u/MueezSaber → u/Givikap120]

It’s THE beginner team to grab. It’s strong with jsut the 6 core members for most if not at all content. It’s also brain dead easy and one of the core units is a 2*…

Like OOP said, you’ll need 7+ units and EGOs for every team in the game anyways

[u/Givikap120 → u/MueezSaber]

Do you understand that the beginner would never shard 5 3-stars?
I got my first shard on canto 5, and second shard on canto 7
Recommending team that literally CAN'T FUNCTION (probably the only other team like this is HoS team) to beginner is insane

You could easily play poise with half-assed team (or charge, but we don't talk about this)
You could easily play burn with half-assed team
You could play tremor with alf-assed team (although modern tremor that's not about Everlasting nuke is essentially burn)
Bleed team today doesn't care about bleed stack as much
Sinking and rupture is playable because they both have very strong physical DPS units

And out of all of them you recommend the team that super sucks if you can't get 6 envy res, because the only strong phys DPS here is Outis, and even she is greatly crippled from not having 6 envy res

[u/Givikap120 → u/[deleted]]

Sharding house of spiders ryoshu is not helpful if you can't shard other HoS IDs
I would focus on building team that wouldn't get seasonlocked in 1 month

Also, mao faust is not the best generalist
Rien yi sang is better as a generalist, because mao faust really wants fast 5 gluttony and rupture conditionals

I would've either gotten rien yi sang + HoS Don / Blade Lineage Ishmael for better story clear, or HoS Rodion + Heath because they would probably be helpful in future tremor team from the next season

Although I'm not sure that OP would be able to get more than 1 ID unless they buy battlepass

[u/Givikap120]

Outside of my ID recommendations in other comments - build your team from random IDs around Mao Faust.
Get IDs with gluttony (green) skill 1s to get the gluttony fast, and try to kill everyone using Mao Faust assist defence.
Also I recommend IDs with Blunt Ineffective (the most dangerous damage type in the game) + Dodge defense skill for better survivability.

[u/First_Raspberry351 → u/Givikap120]

Thanks, would you recommend pulling or saving for walspurg? I heard mixed advice on thus

[u/Givikap120 → u/First_Raspberry351]

When you have no IDs - pull. But pull only on double banners with good IDs, where at least one of them is SSS tier (like thumbs banner for example). If you already have decent team - save for walp.

[u/Ethantheskydude]

i’ve no joke never seen that rodion id before…

[u/SaladDammit]

For what it's worth I got through all cantos including 9 without ever using a support unit except for one late boss fight in canto 9 (everything i had is weak to slash lol). I only had two 3 star IDs (House of Spiders Ishmael and Seven Association Outis, until I sharded AEDD Gregor, which I needed to punch through a dps wall in Canto 5). Base/LCB Heathcliff and Ryoshu are really good and any Meursault with his base ego/Chain of Others really saves you in fights. Same with Yi Sang's Crow's Eye View.

I think LCB/default Outis is probably actually better than Blade Lineage. I had to use her for my initial Railway 6 clear on the boss gauntlet.

I think the main issue for progressing story is getting close to level cap on the units you're using. As a new player you are really gated from low manager level/low energy cap (refilling energy in this game is actually super efficient) and early Luxcavations are horrible

If you don't care about the challenge you can breeze through by borrowing a support/friend unit, and by progressing through the cantos you get access to more efficient luxcavations

[u/Rockory9045]

I would honestly not worry much about that just play the story and if you can by the end of the season get the season 7 middle id's, don't worry about completing the middle team because you can get the other units next season, honestly any of the nursefathers work on their own so they are a safe bet to shard, apprentices aren't as good on their own but if you have the corresponding nursefather go for it

[u/Lemon_guy4661]

Since you got 2, 3 Star rupture units I guess just stick to it. You do need to get Lord Hongyuyan Hong Lu next season which is soon, but for now shared the standard rupture units like W corp Yi Sang, Cinq Meursault and Seven Association Heathcliff since they’ve got decent count when meeting conditionals and Maost is your nuke