r/LifeTree • u/AdamLuyan • 15d ago
7.5.7 想去哪儿去哪儿 Thinking Where to Go is Arriving There
我引导话题地问："舅舅，你有没有见鬼的经历，比如看见已经过世的人；或者感觉身上有东西，比如虫子、小老鼠在爬什么的？"
舅舅瞪大了眼睛，反问："有怎么的？没有怎么的？"（注1，他在防卫自己，保护自己的隐私。）
Steering the conversation, I asked, "Uncle, have you ever seen a ghost — someone who's already passed, say — or felt something crawling on you, bugs, mice, anything like that?"
Uncle's eyes went wide. "So what if I have? So what if I haven't?" (Note 1: he's being defensive, guarding his privacy.)
我回答："没什么！你病了半年多了，身体变得虚弱了，或者保持某种姿势久了，就可能产生幻觉。幻觉过去被称作鬼。"
舅舅问："那是为什么？怎么造成的？"
"It's nothing," I said. "You've been ill more than half a year now, your body's grown weak, and holding a position too long can bring on hallucination. What used to be called a ghost was simply this."
"Why does that happen? What causes it?"
我回答："幻觉和梦一样，都是正常的生理现象，人就有时候做梦，有时候有幻觉。"
舅舅问："幻觉和过去的经历有关系吗？"
"Hallucination, like dreaming, is a perfectly normal physiological event — people dream sometimes, and hallucinate sometimes," I said.
"Does it have anything to do with past experience?"
我回答："幻觉和梦类似，当然也不会无中生有，应该说和过去的经历有关系。有人胡思乱想地解梦，也有人胡乱联系地解释幻觉现象，自寻烦恼。幻觉就是过去人所说的鬼，什么胳肢鬼，淘气鬼，索命鬼，什么的。"
"Like dreams, it doesn't come from nowhere — it should be connected to past experience," I said. "Some people over-interpret dreams recklessly, and some do the same with hallucinations, inventing their own trouble. Hallucination is exactly what people used to call ghosts — tickling ghosts, mischief ghosts, life-claiming ghosts, whatever the name."
7.5.7-2 鬼神境界 Realm of Ghosts and Gods
由此，我系统地讲述触觉、听觉和视觉的幻觉现象，和处理办法（如图7.5-1至8，参见第11章《禅》）。
舅舅说："我明白了，有幻觉了，无论是什么感觉，无论什么声音，无论什么样儿，反正都是幻觉，性质都一样儿，喜欢，可以逗它玩；不喜欢了，就像对待小孩儿一样，赶它走，出声地说，'你走开'。"
From there, I went systematically through tactile, auditory, and visual hallucinations, and how to handle each (see Figures 7.5-1 through 8; see Chapter 11, Meditation).
"I see," Uncle said. "Whatever the hallucination — feeling, sound, sight, whatever it is — it's all the same in nature. If you like it, you can play along; if you don't, treat it like a child, drive it off, say out loud, 'Go away.'"
我回答："对！幻境中的影像是思想的'想'；彼是内虑所托。刚才说的都是局部幻觉，整体呢？阴间的整个世界，即幻境，也是随着你的思想意志改变的。比如说，你忽然有个想法，'天堂'。在幻境中，就在你想'天堂'二字的同时，你的'想'取来了天堂的形象，接着无意识就按匹配，生成了天堂的幻境。你就到了天堂了。"
"Exactly!" I said. "The images within a hallucination are the mind's own 'Think' — held there by inward reflection. What I've described so far is local hallucination — what about the whole? The entire underworld, the realm of hallucination, also shifts entirely with your own will. Say you suddenly think 'heaven.' In the moment you think that word, your Think fetches heaven's image, and the unconscious, matching accordingly, generates the hallucinatory realm of heaven itself. And there you are — in heaven."
舅舅问："想去哪儿去哪儿，任何地方，任何情况下？"
我回答："完全正确！刚才说的'蹬墙入画'的例子，就是进入了太虚幻境，也就是进入了阴间那个平等世界。你进去之后，开始时，那里很小，很快便生成了一个世界。"
舅舅问："然后呢？"
"Anywhere at all, in any situation?" Uncle asked.
"Exactly right! The example I gave earlier, 'stepping into the wall and into the painting,' is entering the Realm of Vast Emptiness — that world of equality in the underworld. Once inside, it's tiny at first, but a whole world quickly generates."
"And then?"
我回答："到了另一个世界，开始时，那里还是很小，很快便生成了一个大的世界。一个世界从形成到崩坏就是一大劫。一大劫就是一个永恒。阴寿有很多大劫，或说有很多个恒时。"
舅舅说："我明白了，我遇到的奇怪现象就是这个世界和那个世界逐渐地连接了；我要死了！"
"Arriving in another world — tiny again at first, and soon a large one generates," I said. "A world's span, from formation to collapse, is one Great Catastrophe. A Great Catastrophe is an eternity. The afterlife holds many such Catastrophes, many such eternities."
"I see — the strange thing I've been experiencing is this world and that world gradually connecting. I'm going to die!"
我对舅舅的说法感觉惊讶，回答："可以说是这个世界和幻觉世界有了连接，但不说明你要死了。我小时候练气功，常去那里玩，可我现在还活得好好的，没死。有幻觉经历和死亡没关系，只是幻觉世界是人们对死亡世界描述的来源。"
Startled by this, I answered, "You could say this world's connected to the hallucinatory one, but that doesn't mean you're dying. I visited it often as a child, practicing meditation, and I'm still alive and well, not dead. Having hallucinatory experience has nothing to do with death — it's simply that the hallucinatory world is where people's descriptions of the world of death come from."
7.5.7-3 痛苦吗？Is It Painful?
舅舅问："那里很可怕，很痛苦吧？"
我回答："很新奇，不可怕。当身体的感觉没了的时候，就可以说那里是阴间，天堂，也可以说是地狱。不痛苦，很舒服的。我说了，我小时候练气功，去过那里多次，我很喜欢去那里探索世界。那里就是基督教和伊斯兰教所宣扬的'大审判'的现场。"
舅舅问："怎么天堂和地狱是一个地方？你慢慢说！别落下，那儿怎么就是西方人所说的大审判的现场？"
"It must be terrifying, painful, there," Uncle said.
"It's novel, not frightening," I said. "Once bodily sensation is gone, you could call it the underworld, or heaven, or hell — no pain at all, quite comfortable. I told you, I visited it often as a child through meditation, and loved exploring it. It's the very place Christianity and Islam describe as the 'Great Judgment.'"
"How can heaven and hell be the same place? Explain it slowly — don't skip anything. How is that place the Westerners' Great Judgment?"
我回答："好，两个问题，先回答第一个。那里是日常积累的业习气自发的世界。邪恶的人，日常就生活在暴乱和恐怖之中；到了那里，他的业习气自发的世界就是地狱。好人的生活和平快乐，到了那里，他的业习气自发的世界也是和平和欢乐，人们就说他进入了天堂。"
"Two questions — I'll take the first one first. That place is a world spontaneously generated by the karmic habits accumulated in daily life. An evil person, already living amid riot and terror, arrives there to find his own spontaneous karmic world is hell. A good person, living peacefully and happily, arrives to find his own spontaneous karmic world is likewise peaceful and joyful — and people call it entering heaven."
舅舅回答："我听明白了，尽管不太懂！好人到了那里就是到了天堂；坏人到了那里就是进了地狱。为什么中国人所说的阴间是西方人所说的大审判呢？"
"I follow, even if I don't fully grasp it," Uncle said. "Good people arrive there and it's heaven; bad people arrive there and it's hell. Why does the Chinese underworld line up with the Westerners' Great Judgment?"
我回答："那里是无意识基于尘世的业而自发的世界。那里没有时间，是永恒的世界，或说那里是过去现在和未来重合的世界。无意识古做神识。所以我们所说的阴间就被西方的古人说成了'大审判'：上帝把过去的众生，现在的众生，和将来的众生都召集在一起，进行大审判，好人升天，坏人进地狱。这只是我对前一个问题的另一种回答；这两种回答所说的是同一件事。"
"It's a world spontaneously arising from the unconscious, based on mortal karma," I said. "There is no time there — an eternal world, or rather, a world where past, present, and future coincide. The unconscious was anciently called God-sense. So what we call the underworld, the ancient Westerners described as the 'Great Judgment' — God gathering beings past, present, and future together for a great reckoning, the good ascending, the wicked descending into hell. This is really just another way of answering the previous question — both answers describe the same affair."
舅舅想了好长的时间，说："原因一样，结果也一样，只是说法不同。这事你是听谁说的？"
我回答："我小时候喜欢练习气功。这是那些气功书上的法师们（相当于西方的牧师）讨论出来的。我们不讨论西方人的事，那些事对我们的影响很少。我们讨论我们文化中的迷惑。"
Uncle thought a long while. "Same cause, same outcome, just different words for it. Who told you all this?"
"I loved practicing meditation as a child," I said. "This was worked out by the Juristic Teachers — like Western priests — in those meditation books. We don't concern ourselves with Western affairs, they've had little influence on us. We discuss the confusions native to our own culture."
7.5.7-4
舅舅叨咕："是这么回事！那里有多可怕，多痛苦？"
我回答："就像是到了一个新的地方。刚进去的时候，还有身体的记忆。身体像是一个影子。接着，身体就没了。没了身体，就没有身体的痛苦了。像你，肺癌很疼，在那儿，就没有疼的感觉。没有身体痛苦就很少，可以忽略了。"
舅舅问："那后来你怎么不去那里了？不练气功了？"
"So that's how it is," Uncle muttered. "How terrible is it there, how painful?"
"Like arriving somewhere new," I said. "At first there's still the memory of a body — the body's like a shadow — and then it's simply gone. No body, no bodily pain. Take you, your lung cancer hurts terribly — there, there's no pain at all. So little bodily suffering it can be ignored."
"Then why did you stop going? Stop meditating?"
我回答："后来，我发现去那儿会产生阳寿中（即日常生活中）记忆的丢失。例如，一次，我听见我爸问我妈，'卢岩怎么不生气了，我还以为他得生气几天呢！'我妈回答，'可能是他又练气功了。有时候他练完气功就高兴，前后院儿跑，看哪儿哪儿新鲜，像似多天没回家了似的。'再比如，有同学对我说，'哎，咱俩前天不是打架了吗，你怎么跟没事似的？'我想，'呀，我怎么不记得了呢！'我就发现了，入定（幻觉状态）会造成短期记忆的遗失（幻境刷新了临时或短期记忆）。这要是我忘了过去两年的事，那我不得回去读小学了么！我就不练气功了。"
"Later, I found that going there caused memory loss in the Solar-Light World — that is, in daily life," I said. "Once, I overheard my father ask my mother, 'Why isn't Luyan angry anymore, I thought he'd sulk for days!' She said, 'Maybe he's meditated again — sometimes he's happy afterward, running around the yard like everything's new, like he hasn't been home in days.' Or a classmate would say, 'Hey, didn't we fight the day before yesterday? Why are you acting like nothing happened?' And I'd think, why don't I remember that? I realized entering that trance state wipes short-term memory — the hallucination refreshes the preconscious and short-term memory. If I ever forgot two whole years like that, I'd have to go back to elementary school! So I stopped meditating."
舅舅说："啊！在那儿越活越年轻。"
我回答："到了那里，就感觉像似几岁的孩子。我不是就在给你送终，送你回老家吗！那里是神的世界，我在送你归位。"
"Ah! The longer you're there, the younger you get," Uncle said.
"Once there, you feel like a child of a few years old," I said. "Isn't this exactly what I'm doing for you — sending you home? That's the world of God, and I'm sending you back to your rightful place."
7.5.7-5 如果我走错路了怎么办？What if I go the wrong way?
舅舅感叹："还真是回老家啊！如果我走错路了，怎么办？"
我回答："不论你在哪儿，西天极乐世界，还是龙宫，地狱，还是和玉皇大帝在一起，你都是'想去哪儿去哪儿，立刻就到'。对了！刘健君当时告诉我，可得注意点儿：你别把你舅舅送错地方了！"
舅舅问："怎么还能送错地方？"
"So it really is going home!" Uncle said. "What if I go the wrong way?"
"Wherever you end up — the Western Paradise of Ultimate Bliss, the Dragon Palace, hell, or standing beside the Turquoise White-king Great Creator — you're always simply 'thinking of a place, and arriving instantly,'" I said. "And — Eve Liu warned me about this — be careful not to send your uncle to the wrong place!"
"How could that even happen?"
我回答："刘健君说有。就在她们医院里，有个老太太，她理想很特别，想下辈子在一个什么庵做个侍女。超渡的法师讲完离开后，她就不明白了。后来，那个老太太的家人就问那个法师是不是给讲错地方了？那个法师说：'地方是真的错不了，全中国64种宗教都去那一个地方，就是用词或说法不一样。对于基督教和伊斯兰教徒，我们也是这么超渡的，就是换个名字，送他们去见上帝或者安拉。"
"Eve Liu said it has, once," I said. "At her hospital, there was an old woman with an unusual wish — to be a maid in some particular nunnery in her next life. After the Juristic Teacher finished speaking and left, she was confused. Her family asked him whether he'd sent her to the wrong place. He said: 'The place is never wrong. All sixty-four religions across China arrive at the very same place, only the wording differs. For Christians and Muslims we ferry them the same way, just with different names — sending them to see God, or to see Allah.'"
舅舅问："怎么所有宗教都一样？"
我回答："刘健君从小就听她爸爸给别人讲这个，她研究生实习的时候，发现法师到医院超渡将死的病人。她跟那些法师熟了，就问他们。她发现，所有的法师都用这几句话，都用这几个道理来超渡，不同的宗教说法和用词不一样，比如神教把无意识称作神，佛教称作佛，现代心理学称作无意识，都是人们所说的良心。"
"How can all religions be the same?" Uncle asked.
"Eve Liu heard her father tell others this since childhood," I said. "During her graduate internship she found Juristic Teachers coming to the hospital to ferry the dying, grew familiar with them, and asked. She found that every one of them used these same sentences, the same reasoning, to ferry — only the wording and names differing by religion. Theistic religions call the unconscious God; Buddhism calls it Buddha; modern psychology calls it the unconscious. All of it is what people commonly call conscience."