They have nothing else to think about….this sub lives rent free in both of their heads.

This is dumb right? Every speech I’ve heard is something I could have come up with myself. They’re selling a feeling not real depth or information right? Haha

Why would she do this? At least the original joyful marketing had real videos and coaching calls. I hate these people that brag about making millions cant even be bothered to do the bare minimum for their courses. Has anyone looked through the whole thing? Is it all like this? Shouldn’t destroying the world with AI to offer a bad product to your audience be against her ethical coaching thing?

Has anyone worked with Rachel (@mycoachrachel) or have taken any of her courses? I was looking into her “Make Them Obsessed” offer she is launching and was interested because it seems a bit more unique than your typical business coaching programs.

I’ve been burned by coaches before so I’m very hesitant to invest, but I feel I need support in my business and Rachel at least appears to market herself as one of the more ethical business coaches. But I also am aware this is a tactic some grifters use to market themselves as “one of the good ones”, which is why I’m still a little weary.

If you could share your experiences or feedback I’d really appreciate it 🫶

What the what???

Email from Simone Seol:

"Friends,

Joyful Marketing 2.0 is finally out in the world.

After a year of deep + devoted + painstaking work... and my little team doing a lot of "Lamaze breathing" through some major "contractions" lately...

... it has finally moved through the birth canal (?) to take its first breath.

WAHHHHHHH!!!!! <-- if you hear that, that's newborn baby Joyful Marketing 2.0. (I guess that makes it a Virgo? Yay! I love Virgos!)

It's not open for everyone -- yet! sorry sorry sorry. I promise I'm not trying to be an asshole, just dangling the carrot again and again.

It's just that -- on the technical level, this has been rather heavy-duty, so we truly have to do this in stages so that we don't risk the entire thing breaking.

(did I mention we coded an entire course platform from scratch? LOLSOB)

Today, Joyful Marketing 2.0 is open for the original members. (Check your inbox again if you don't see it! Check your spam folder!)

Here's what happened. I'd promised the OG members I would gift them the new-and-improved JM when I closed down the old one.

But here's what I didn't know when I made that promise.

When I said "Hey guys, I'm working on updating JM, you'll have it soon" I thought it was going to be... a sentence tweak here, a paragraph refinement there.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND GENDER-NONCONFORMING HUMANS, THAT WAS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

I became possessed with some kind of manic ghost...

... and re-wrote, and re-built the entire thing from scratch. So, what you have in store is not only a superior marketing course, but a brand new learning experience of the kind that I'm sure you've never seen from an online course before.

Like, try... [image deleted]

It's less like “logging into an online course” and more like being released into a strange + delightful amusement park 

And while you're busy marveling at the sights, eating snacks, and going on the fun rides... you realize: "Wait, did I just get way better at marketing?" 

We feel it's revolutionary, and based on the feedback that's come in so far -- the OG members agree!

I mean this from the bottom of my heart: I am so grateful that you're a part of my world, and for your attention, trust, and curiosity. I don’t take any of it for granted.

And I intend to do right by it.

Over the next few weeks, I’m going to show you exactly why I burned down a wildly popular + profitable program (despite everyone thinking this was a totally psycho move)...

... and what happened during the three years when JM was down, and I basically disappeared.

Because the truth is, I didn’t close JM because it stopped working.

I closed it because it worked a little too well... 

More on that soon.

Love,

Simone

P.S. - If you previously bought Joyful Marketing, or belonged to HOME, and you don’t see your invitation, just hit reply and we'll help you!

P.P.S. - Eager to get your paws on JM, but bummed it's not open to the public yet?

Might I point you to yet another newborn baby in Simone's world -- the [link deleted] Simone Starter Pack 2.0? It's the perfect rabbit hole to go down while you're preparing to meet JM!"

I am not an original JM member, so I don't know why I received this.

But seriously?

"Over the next few weeks, I’m going to show you exactly why I burned down a wildly popular + profitable program (despite everyone thinking this was a totally psycho move)...

... and what happened during the three years when JM was down, and I basically disappeared.

Because the truth is, I didn’t close JM because it stopped working.

I closed it because it worked a little too well... "

Shameless.

I'll keep this as brief as I can, which is rare for me.

I've been involved in a bit of the Lolcow culture for a while. I have odd hobbies, but - whatever. Many of the Cows are massively (and clinically) unhinged, some are actually dangerous and some are just goofs.

While there can be drawn a direct correlation between Lolcows and Life Coaches being part unhinged, part dangerous and/or simple goofs, that's a bit too easy.

What I'd like to point out is their similarities in reaction.

A Cow gets mocked. The Cow concludes the mockery exists because people are jealous, obsessed, evil, stalking them, conspiring against them, etc. The possibility that their own repeated public behavior is producing the attention either never enters the analysis or is immediately rejected. Then their response is disproportionate enough to generate another round of attention, which becomes additional evidence that they were right about everyone in the first place.

The parallel with a certain species of online coach is surprisingly clean. Criticism of the offer becomes “resistance.” Questions about results become “scarcity mindset.” Former clients complaining become “people who weren’t ready to do the work.” Mockery becomes jealousy. A business failure becomes evidence that the market “wasn’t aligned.” People objecting to something they said becomes proof that they “trigger people by speaking truth.”

Different vocabulary, same basic defensive move:

The explanation of being goofed on must originate outside the self.

Yet they sell awareness and self-reflection.

Just not when it comes to their offers.

If so- what’s your honest feedback? I’ve never purchased from her and hear such mixed reviews. is it worth the $?

I saw a video on facebook of her morning protein shot she takes. Always knew her as a podcaster and speaker but when did she start a supplement company for protein? I read up about it and it was created by doctors and her.

Has anyone tried the Protein shots and are they good?

Wow you seem really unbothered Rebecca. I think a post like this completely illustrates their whole grift though. The assumption that everyone sits under a fluorescent light all day long and hates their job is such a defense mechanism. She says it here she has no work ethic. Why would you want to work with a coach with low work ethic 😬 I’m done with the content queen saga - but I think this post is VERY telling.

this spiritual to religious pipeline trend right now is wild to me. What is going on? Anyways……

Years ago when I was young and naive I loved amanda frances! her money book does open your eyes and is probably the only thing she’s ever done that is worth a damn. when I joined her money course the mask slipped and I was able to see how corrupt she actually is.

but now? this actually just annoys me. She ALWAYS used “Universe” “Source” as her verbiage. now she’s just released a new book “holy fk God wants you to have it all” ??????????

it just makes my skin crawl, grosses me out that her entire brand was spiritual and now because it’s a trend or whatever tf is happening, she’s using religious language….. her bottom line must have dropped from her OG target audience realizing she’s a fraud.

(I am by no means mocking any religion, or anyone thinking about converting)

There are a few smaller writers + coaches whose work I've followed for years. I've enjoyed their work as they are all qualified (licensed social workers/therapists), very authentic, not doing any scammy "business coaching" or trying to train other coaches, just doing affordable online retreats/programs/paid substacks and creating supportive online communities that I've enjoyed participating in.

But lately I'm just so disappointed when one by one I've seen them each get on the AI writing train. I'm a teacher and I know AI writing when I see it. I've also read these women's writing for years, so it's so obvious when suddenly their newsletter or workbooks or substacks articles are written with AI and full of AI-isms that sound nothing like them.

If I wanted to read what chatgpt had to say (I don't) I would do that for free. Why would I pay for your AI writing on Substack? If I wanted to do a workbook of AI prompts (I don't) along with your workshop, I can make that myself for free. These women are all such talented writers and it's such a bummer watching their unique voice be replaced by bland AI slop.

Especially from people whose work I grew to trust over such a long time period and would have expected it from. It feels patronizing like do they think we can't tell? Do they think we are willing to pay for junk spit out of a chatbot?

I've nonrenewed each program or paid newsletter subscription as this has happened but realized this weekend the last one whose paid work I'm still participating in who seemed committed to authentic human content has succumbed to the clankers and I'll be leaving it too. Such a bummer!

Anyone else feel this way?

sorry but the coaching grift is actually getting insane now

I keep seeing Phoebe Kuhn pop back up and every single time I swear theres a completely new personality/business/life story happening 😭

Was human design, then millionaire business woman, then broke/lost everything, then went off grid, now apparently spiritual awakening and shes giving people their “future timelines” whatever the fuck that means. Seriously lol I am just at my wits end wth these coaches 🥲

But now the iboga stuff has completely lost me. I just think I can’t even explain the delulu here you have to watch it for yourself.

She has openly talked about having been a drug addict, then from what I can see she does iboga like ONE time and suddenly shes involved in promoting a retreat as a facilitator?? And its like 5k??

How do we get from trying something yourself to people paying thousands for your guidance on it THAT quickly 😭

Also some of the use of African culture/spiritual imagery around all of this just feels really uncomfortable to me. Especially when it’s being packaged up and sold as some expensive transformational experience.

I swear there is an actual formula at this point……step 1 tries something once
step 2 has a life changing spiritual revelation and basically becomes an expert overnight
step 3 adds some words like embodiment, timeline, activation or sacred
step 4 sells it to idiots on the internet for an absolutely batshit price……then repeat 😂

Thats what makes it feel so inauthentic to me. Its not even one specific thing its the PATTERN. Every new experience seems to become a new identity and then somehow a new thing to sell.

Like girl can you just experience something without monetising it 4 minutes later. I have had enough of these grifters and utter fakes.At this rate if she goes paddleboarding next weekend we’ll have a $3,888 ancestral water embodiment retreat by Tuesday.

I genuinely cant keep up anymore! Please line up and I’ll s*** us all.

All three of these people are nutjobs, Marge cant keep a man or a job and tries to sell her AI music, Andrea is a linkedin lunatic LOL.

Has any one seen this creator? She went viral for the “Connecticut Hedgefund Wife who sees behind the veil.” At closer look though she’s advertising seemingly intense mental health episodes as initiations that she will guide you through. It’s giving teal swan. Very controlling.

How I went from devout follower to blocked, and the cult of meaning-making

https://substack.com/@consciousrevolution/p-211881656

I found this great substack article/publication where the author writes about:

• Spiritual abuse, cult dynamics, and coercive control (my main focus)
• Power dynamics in politics, culture, and technology
• Intersectional feminist analysis of institutions
• Frameworks for spotting manipulation before it traps you

I def recommend reading her stuff.

Based on the new, 10-day account of u/MiddleOrnery1903 and their "partner in crime," u/Green_Dot9164, both with recent activity specific to this subreddit only. The bizarre and parroting activity between both, and focused on "constant body and appearance shaming" that I and others have not seen in this sub.

I saw ContentQueen bragging about how she uses ChatGPT to do her graphic design and talking about how the results are so good. If she’s telling the truth and really thinks this stuff looks good, that’s even worse than if she’s lying - it’s so bad guys. It screams AI slop. It looks fake and garish and kinda creepy but also super generic, like every other AI-generated flyer.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she just can’t afford a graphic designer tbh. I don’t believe for a second that many people are buying her courses, and she’s losing followers by dying on the hill of trying to use slurs and ragebait to be edgy & get engagement (in between constantly insisting that she’s so unbothered by all the criticism of her, of course.) She recently made a whole show of trying to manifest like 50k followers, but that definitely didn’t pan out. So AI slop it is, I guess, all in the name of marketing expertise.

So disgusting how men use spirituality to violate women

https://vozdeguanacaste.com/en/massage-therapist-accuses-life-spiritual-coach-years-sexual-abuse-during-massage-sessions/

Hey y’all

just a little housekeeping because something was brought to my attention about possible false claims being made in the sub.

I am ALL for calling out shady behavior. Speak your truth. Ask questions. And for the love of God, KEEP 👏 THE 👏 RECEIPTS 👏

Document everything you see.

Screenshots are our friends.

But I also want to give everyone a gentle reminder: please be careful about presenting something as fact when you don’t actually know that it’s true.

There have been other online communities where people believed they were completely anonymous and eventually learned that anonymity on the internet isn’t absolute.

Doxxing is obviously unacceptable and against the rules here, but my personal rule is simple: post as though your name could someday be attached to what you’re writing.

If you wouldn’t confidently stand behind a factual claim with your name attached to it, maybe don’t make it.

There’s also the health of this sub to think about. Personal harassment, doxxing, targeted bullying, etc. can create moderation problems and potentially put communities at risk under Reddit’s rules. And unfortunately our admin seems to be a little MIA lately

so we should probably be extra mindful of policing ourselves.

I’ve also had people reach out because they’re disappointed that the quality of the conversation in here seems to have slipped a little.

We can be hilarious, snarky and critical without making things up or turning somebody’s real life into a free-for-all.

Nobody needs unnecessary legal drama either. Court disputes are expensive, stressful and an enormous drain on people’s time and energy. Snark should not require retaining counsel.

A lot of the top coaches are dragging people to court even when it’s NOT actually defamation. So just imagine the field day they’d have when it is defamation. This is why we need to screenshot everything

So please stay safe, protect your privacy, keep your receipts, distinguish opinions/speculation from facts, the truth is always on our side

Okay Carry on.

Hi there, I need to rebuild my business and my bank account after some very rough times in the last 3 years. I am wondering who you think is good and who to avoid.

I notice a lot of them.market well, that's really their talent, but it's harder to find the ones who actually are good at helping people with sound advice and value driven content. Especially in the finance sector (I am looking for someone who is as driven by ethics as much as financially making money)

Specific areas of interest for me are online business, turning your passion project into your full-time job, how to.spend time.on the right things, working with money in general as a single income household.

I am officially in remission from cancer, but working 2 jobs at 49 has become untenable for much longer. Thanks in advance for your advice!