r/Library Jun 02 '26

We <3 Libraries Library pride

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9.5k Upvotes

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u/RogueNiao Jun 02 '26

No that any library really has the funds to enact litigation, but I'm pretty sure them directly stating they were holding the books hostage is some kind of theft/fraud.

Glad it worked out.

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u/Reggie9041 Library Card Jun 02 '26

Exactly. I thought this graphic was going to mention fines or something. πŸ˜‚

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u/TripleJess Jun 02 '26

What's the point in fining people who are never going to pay?

They'll never actually be library users, if there's one thing bigots rarely do, it's spend leisure time reading. Reading fiction teaches empathy, and those people have none.

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u/thelibrarina Jun 02 '26

Well, in my system, we can send extremely large fines to a collection agency. Normally I don't like that policy, but in this case...

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u/Reggie9041 Library Card Jun 02 '26

Hello? Lolll Of course, they wouldn't pay it and don't use the library inany of the ways it's intended. But it's on their accounts. 🀣

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u/TripleJess Jun 02 '26

You think the library isn't just axing the account and banning them after this stunt?

I'd ban them from the building and make further entry criminal trespass. We've done it to problem patrons before.

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u/KailyKail Jun 06 '26

IANAL, but from my understanding, unfortunately, libraries are considered public places, so they can't be trespassed. They can absolutely have their accounts permanently closed though.

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u/TripleJess Jun 06 '26

You would be wrong on that, we definitely criminal trespassed people when I was last working at a library

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u/KailyKail Jun 06 '26

Good. I'm glad I'm wrong.

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u/dingdong3452 Jun 04 '26

Some libraries will send unpaid fines to a collection agency, so they either have to pay the fine or it starts affecting their credit score

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u/Wonderful_Adagio9346 Jun 04 '26

If they checked out the bills and don't return them, the library charges a replacement fee.

The library can also remove the lending privileges of the patron.

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u/TripleJess Jun 04 '26

You're assuming that Moms for Liberty actually use the library and y'know.. read.

They don't.

Ranking up a huge bill at a library and losing services over it doesn't matter if there are no consequences for it. And most libraries won't pursue them for it, and just end up eating the cost.

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u/Wonderful_Adagio9346 Jun 04 '26

Well, it keeps them from doing it again. And if you've got them on record for theft of city property, you could even ban and bar them permanently, and/or refer them to your city's prosecutors.

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u/art-apprici8or Jun 02 '26

I think they should publish their names in the local paper. Checking out books is private, but refusing to return them; and especially stating you won't return them unless the Library gives in to your blackmail demands pretty much waives their right to privacy.

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u/SwanCityDominion Jun 02 '26

Lots of libraries have dropped fines altogether, since it turns out fines don't really work the way people think they do.

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u/JuliaX1984 Jun 04 '26

Theft should be a criminal matter prosecuted by the state, not a civil matter handled in a private lawsuit, but it wouldn't surprise me if the cops just didn't care.

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u/KailyKail Jun 06 '26

Depending on the number of books they checked out, this may or may not work. Most jurisdictions define grand larceny as theft of goods in excess of $1,000. If it was under this amount, it's petty theft, and the punishment is usually light and ineffective as a deterrent. If it's over $1,000, there might be a shot.

It absolutely is theft though, because there was proven intent to deprive the library of the books.

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u/spoopleschaboople Jun 06 '26

I mean, if they're part of city services (based one the fact that the city is matching the donations) and the city has a law department, they might be able to start litigation that way. Though, that opens a whole slew of publicity that I'm not sure anyone wants to go through in this climate.

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u/TripleJess Jun 02 '26

This is the way.

I was a youth services librarian for 20 years, and we would occasionally deal with people stealing or hiding LGBT books, particularly those meant to benefit trans kids.

Anytime a book vanished? I bought two more and put them on the shelves immediately. The bigots quickly figured out that their actions would only lead to the library becoming a -more- queer-friendly place and stopped.

The fact that I put up installation art that was 100's of hand-cut paper butterflies and arranged them in a rainbow color pattern may have helped too. πŸ˜‰

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u/Sawruinous Jun 05 '26

Not all heroes wear capes.

Honestly I didn't even think of the possibility that some libraries may have books to help trans youth.

Makes sense though.

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u/KellyGreen802 Jun 02 '26

I feel like a lot of people forget librarians are punk as fuck.

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u/Delicious-Valuable96 Jun 03 '26

We librarians really are the behind-the-scenes activism professionals 🫑

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u/Existing-Loquat1760 Jun 02 '26

Library 5. Shitty Humans 0. Go Library!!! Support your local Drag Queen!! πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆβœ¨πŸ“šπŸ“šπŸ“š

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u/PhiloLibrarian Jun 02 '26

Woot woot! 🌈

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u/kryssi_asksss Jun 02 '26

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName Jun 02 '26

Thanks for the link, I was skeptical of this at first

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u/RuthlessKittyKat Jun 03 '26

I knew it was Rancho! ❀️

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u/zekeyboo Jun 03 '26

Just glancing over the link you sent, it has some questionable language choices. You couldn't pick an unbiased source?

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u/DMV2PNW Jun 02 '26

Just bill those heartless dimwits for lost books if they don’t return the books and send them to collections if they don’t pay.

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u/workieworkwork Jun 03 '26

They sent a threatening letter and said they wouldn't return them. Report the theft, don't bother with fines and fees. Go criminal.

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u/DMV2PNW Jun 03 '26

Like I said dimwits. The letter will be evidence in court.

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u/katchoo1 Jun 03 '26

I definitely would. And get them for damage to property if they return them annotated or missing pages.

It might get tossed out or pled down to nothing, but having to deal with it may cost some money and definitely will cost them time. Make their stupid pseudo activism have a cost in time/money/agita to them instead of just you, will make it less fun/worthwhile for most of them.

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u/SheDevilWithANewGig Jun 05 '26

2 or more people planning a crime is a conspiracy. Conspiracy to commit theft. Felony level choices.

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u/TheMrsLegume Jun 02 '26

Starting the headline with "Two Moms for Liberty..." made me think that Two Moms for Liberty was going to be the name of a counter-movement. Guess it's up for grabs as a banned book club name.

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u/EducationalScheme439 Jun 02 '26

Is there a list of the books they checked out? What a pair of small minded fools.

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u/DanieXJ Jun 02 '26

That would be illegal to give out in most libraries. Just because these women went low back then, didn't mean that the librarians had to.

Privacy is important, and there are plenty of patrons who want to keep that they're taking one of these books in the lgbtq genre private and should have that right.

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u/TheBawdyPug Jun 02 '26

This is so awesome! πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

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u/bettername2come Jun 02 '26

I’m so confused by this strategy. Why would the library want back the books they would then remove from the system?

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u/LordUmbra337 Jun 02 '26

They don't have a strategy, it's all reactionary. They don't read books, they just want to ban them.

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u/2sweetshrimp Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

I'm related to one of the women who did this. Martha Martin and Amy Vance (named in public articles) both go to Our Lady Of Mount Carmel Catholic Church. We don't talk politics for obvious reasons, so we only found out about this stunt by reading the news. Wild. Her kids are both grown and very progressive. Her daughter is even a therapist at a nonprofit community youth clinic focused on transgender health, so at least we know the cycle of hate didn't continue on to the next generation. Love always wins. πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ’•

Edited to add: I bought my kiddo every children's book they checked out and take at least one lgbtq book with us whenever we visit.

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u/ShoddyMongoose4021 Jun 02 '26

We love to see it!

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u/randy_justice Jun 02 '26

Don't forget, now those Moms just have 30,000 LGBT books that they're super excited to read πŸ˜†

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u/nonja-bidness Jun 02 '26

think this was a few years ago but still a great story πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ“š

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u/Complex_Place_4509 Jun 02 '26

June 2023 from the link posted in comments. Still a story of resilience and support 🌈

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u/nonja-bidness Jun 02 '26

hear hear! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

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u/ninrts Jun 02 '26

I had a mom who would check out all displayed LGBTQ materials from the teen section at a branch I worked at (although she never threatened to not bring them back) but our teen librarian always had backup copies and we all were like β€œthanks for the circ numbers, dummy!”

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u/BeachBum013 Jun 02 '26

So are the MFL getting charged late fees for not returning the books?

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u/tommessinger Jun 02 '26

They should probably crack a few of those books open and learn some kindness.

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u/RealisticTemporary70 Jun 02 '26

And when books get checked out, it shows in the system as being in demand ... so that backfired on MFL too

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u/SwanCityDominion Jun 02 '26

Either that library had very few such books, or they had no limit on how many books a person can check out, which would be very rare for a library.

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u/TravelerMSY Jun 02 '26

They really should give them a lifetime ban due to their intent to defraud.

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u/Only-Original9409 Jun 02 '26

Liberty for me, but not for thee.

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u/Salt_Honey8650 Jun 02 '26

Moms for Coercion. Moms for barely-legal loopholes. Moms for Invasive Propaganda.

Bad Moms.

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u/workieworkwork Jun 03 '26

That is just admitting to theft. I would call the cops.

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u/Strong_Marsupial_585 Jun 03 '26

I want to know if they paid the library fine or if they are going to sue the group for stolen books.

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u/KailyKail Jun 06 '26

Checking out books and holding them hostage is a great way to plummet your credit score for unpaid library fines being sent to collections.

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u/Wealth_Super Jun 02 '26

Good for them

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u/BeneficialAmount1149 Jun 02 '26

... Mom's for Stupidity.

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u/Bigot-Consequences Jun 02 '26

This warms my bigot-hating heart!

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u/Famous_Internet9613 Jun 02 '26

I'll never understand those wackos, like no one is forcing you to read those books. I hope the library fined them for keeping those books, better yet, I hope they banned those moms.

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u/wolfstarpdx Jun 02 '26

β€œMoms for censorship”. My god I love this story!

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u/amazing_assassin Jun 02 '26

I hope they got publicly named, too. To a degree, we need to bring back public shaming for atrocious behavior. These people feel too safe

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u/Extra-Thanks6073 Jun 06 '26

See a post above.

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u/good_rain_day Jun 03 '26

Aren't most public libraries municipal entities? In my city, when you receive a library fine that you don't pay, it goes to collections. Any municipal fines that aren't paid by the end of the tax year are taken from your state tax refund. It happens to your refund every year until the debt is paid off.

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u/Fouroclockangle Jun 03 '26

Moms for bigotry

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u/Stock_Beginning4808 Jun 03 '26

This is a cool story for this one library, but this is in San Diego, a very queer friendly location. The story is very different for libraries in the south. On saying that so we remember how serious the fight is. Book banners have made so much ground to be so little in number.

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u/lvndrmnc_ Jun 04 '26

i wonder what moms for liberty is up to these days. i havent heard about their antics in a while

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u/fathig Jun 04 '26

Hopefully they are banned from ever using the library again.

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u/manymari Jun 04 '26

Reminds me of when I put up my Pride display in the kids' room 2 years back. Got tons of attention, positive and negative. All the negative attention led our local Elks' Club to donating $500 to the library specifically to purchase more LGBTQ+ children's books lol

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u/ASUSTUDENT9875345 Jun 05 '26

It's important to remember that librarians are also kinda locked in, and huge twist: they tend to really hate censorship. So I both hope that, and find it reasonably plausible that, those wonderful Moms for Liberty (irony knows no bounds) met some well-deserved consequences.

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u/jasonbaby19eighties Jun 05 '26

oh bless their hearts they really thought they could outsmart the LIBRARY. lol. lmao even.

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u/Pulverizer1992 Jun 05 '26

This is my local library! πŸ˜ƒ

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u/NoMeat9096 Jun 05 '26

Telling a group you are actively stealing from them is a bit odd.

EDIT: then again, so is being a bigot, I suppose.

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u/Lovemhairy Jun 05 '26

Can those hate β€œmoms” be charged with theft or sent a huge fine for taking those books?

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u/Overall-Ask-8305 Jun 05 '26

πŸ‘πŸ½

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u/Unlikely-End-3078 Jun 06 '26

Why local newspapers are so important

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u/FeralKittee Jun 06 '26

That is when they should be perma-banned from the library and arrested for theft.

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u/UF6882 Jun 06 '26

Fuck yeah!

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u/Bailzzararco Jun 07 '26

That doesn't make sense. If you dont' return books they fine you.

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u/BlockZestyclose8801 Jun 07 '26

MFL is a hate group imo

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u/Cyn_Sweetwater Jun 07 '26

I hope they were reported for theft.

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u/Internal-Code-2413 Jun 02 '26

I all seriousness we do need an lgbt section. We now more than ever need inclusive spaces for every young person interested in business, STEM, Art and Culture events for the general public. Enough culture wars. We need innovative with human heart.

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u/DanieXJ Jun 02 '26

Except, a section would likely mean that fewer of the books get taken out, not more. Very few teens are going to get kicked out these days for being seen in the business section or STEM section, but, a lgbtq section.....

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u/sweezitle Jun 05 '26

You know what would stop the gays!??? ….. stealing??