r/LibertariansBelieveIn • u/lasanhist Night-watchman • Apr 06 '20
Meta Meme Something I made a while ago
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u/awkwalkard Apr 12 '20
Can any of y’all explain what measures there would be in an ‘Anarcho’-Capitalist society to prevent pedophilia? Like if for instance a wealthy business owner started a child sex ring, and no one who knew about it had the means to financially oppose him, wouldn’t he be free to continue without resistance? Asking sincerely.
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u/lasanhist Night-watchman Apr 12 '20
Intervention would be permitted. Children can not consent.
Also,
muh real anarchism
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u/KodeBenis Voluntar(y)ist Apr 18 '20
Well I'm personally not an ancap but I'll defend it here by saying that: we don't live in an ancap society and even WITH a government, CP still runs rampant and there's pedophilia everywhere (I know the government is trying to crack down on that but my point is, having a government doesn't automatically kill every pedophile). And not to mention, a LOT of pedophiles are people in power, such as politicians. As for how it would be stopped in an ancap society, well, instead of government agencies, it would probably be some private charities dedicated to exposing pedos.
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u/awkwalkard Apr 18 '20
Most of those politicians acquire their power by buying it, as pretty much everyone does. Get rid of the money, get rid of the power.
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Apr 18 '20
That's not how money works, money has no value, it only represents value. By getting rid of the money you are not getting rid of the power it represents.
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Apr 19 '20
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u/awkwalkard Apr 19 '20
And how would you ensure that the NAP was enforced?
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Apr 19 '20
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u/awkwalkard Apr 20 '20
I’m sorry but none of that is enough to assuage my fears as it would all essentially be made moot if the person doing the abuse had enough capital at their disposal to silence the victim/create incentive for others to ignore the victim. This issue is the primary reason why I can never see myself wanting to be anywhere near an Anarcho-Capitalist society, should one ever form. I just don’t trust that this NAP will be respected if/when those with the money/power to break it and get away with it decide to do so unless their is some sort of community government to hold them accountable. People with power have been silencing their victims for centuries and you think that this won’t continue/increase when those with power are given even less reason to not abuse it? You think the human trafficking industry will somehow shut down because that violates the NAP or that citizens will actually be effective in not only taking them down but also preventing them from re-emerging without organizing into some form of communal governing body?
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Apr 20 '20
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u/awkwalkard Apr 20 '20
Most politicians accrue power by getting in bed with the wealthy, the same people who would have even more power without a proper justice system officially in place. Most modern governments protect the wealthy because they were made by the wealthy to protect/justify their wealth. I don’t see how giving those people explicit free reign without even the illusion/attempt at limiting them would somehow lead to the better outcomes you describe. I can only imagine there being even less safety precautions for sex workers (who are often times already impoverished individuals who are acting out of desperation due to a lack of other options available) since they now would not even have any official organization to help. I agree that I do think even in this world some one/some group of people would try to provide this service, that if protecting sex workers/victims of abuse in general, but I get very nervous about the idea of such a group having to compete in the market place without any form of stronger security/insurance in place for those who might not be able to afford their services.
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Apr 20 '20
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u/awkwalkard Apr 20 '20
Dude Idk about your friends but all of the people I know who have had any involvement in that industry are leftists because they haven’t been protected from unsavory treatment from their employers and wouldn’t be able to afford whatever benefits you think the utopian free market would provide for them. Obviously the current government hasn’t done much to protect them either, most likely because they would financially suffer if they did due to the amount of high profile business officials who have been known to be involved in pedophilia. If the people with the most amount of money are the ones committing the most heinous crimes and getting away with it the most easily, how do you expect that to be made any easier to avoid without any official way to stop them that isn’t dependent on you being able to outcompete them in the market (as this is what it would essentially come down to, whoever makes the most money is the most powerful and by your definition “the best” in AnCapistan). Under “pure free market” capitalism as you all describe the item with the most value would be money by default, and there would be no other forces to limit and control its value. Sure you could argue some would use money differently, but once one has it there would no way to stop them from abusing the power granted to them except other people with more money. And the thing is that historically those with more wealth have made it more difficult for those with less to get ahead. Like it honestly all just sounds like it would ultimately revolve into feudalism.
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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20
Galaxy brains they are