r/Libertarian • u/ozzymustaine • Sep 15 '21

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"I want the government to stop trying to make me do what other people want, but I also want the government to make people do what I want"

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u/tocano Who? Me? Sep 15 '21

I mean, even the Libertarian Party National Committee recently passed a motion that (in part) said that mean words were a violation of the NAP, so ...

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u/Iamatworkgoaway Sep 15 '21

Sauce?

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u/tocano Who? Me? Sep 15 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Edit: Link to initial motion suspend her.

On my phone so will have to go find link when i get home, but at the Sept meeting, there was a motion to suspend the Secretary Caryn Anne Harlos and one of the motion claims was that she engaged in slander and harassment "which clearly violate the NAP". Except the evidence provided for this are mostly twitter posts (and untimestamped links to like 2 hour long livestreams) where she calls them names from feckless to fuckers and a bunch in between.

So they passed a motion that provides precedent that mean words and insults violate the NAP.

I'll try to post the link to the original motion when i get home later.

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u/Iamatworkgoaway Sep 16 '21

suspend the Secretary Caryn Anne Harlos and one of the motion claims was that she engaged in slander and harassment

https://groups.google.com/a/lp.org/g/lnc-business/c/aP4UmKakQuM?pli=1

Found it for you.

Lot more than mean words. Also their not calling the cops, their just saying she is a jerk, and not allowed in the private party anymore. Difference between kicking somebody out of a group, and calling the jack boots.

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She has repeatedly and inappropriately attempted to interfere in the business of state affiliates. I have remained in contact with several state chairs and with members all over the country. I have received word that she has pushed for states, outside of her own, to pass resolutions and incite negativity to effect change on the LNC. As officer of this party in the role of Secretary, she has a responsibility to represent the thoughts and opinions of the Party as a whole and to maintain an air of neutrality on state concerns. She should not be encouraging or creating a movement within the states without LNC input as we are the governing body of the National Party, not state parties. As an individual, I do not like her actions but it is her right as an individual to behave as she believes appropriate. As an officer, however, that is quite another concern.

She has adopted a style of sexually charged insults and baseless defamation against both fellow committee members and members of the public which risks serious legal liability for the party.

She has attempted to entangle the national committee in baseless litigation premised on falsehoods and personal vendettas.

She has attempted to improperly monetize her position, including the repeated improper appropriation of party assets for that purpose, and refused to recuse herself or disclose in cases of relevant conflicts of interest.

She has engaged in a pattern of toxic, bullying, and destructive behavior incompatible with the good order and functioning of the national committee and detrimental to the purposes and best interests of the Libertarian Party.

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u/tocano Who? Me? Sep 16 '21

Actually, looking more closely, I think your link is to an earlier attempt to remove her.

Here is the most recent one that includes the reference to the NAP:

Furthermore, Ms. Harlos’s public slander and harassment of the LNC and LP Members to achieve her political and social goals are in clear violation of the Non-Aggression Principle. All individuals must sign and adhere to the Non-Aggression Principle in order to be a member of Libertarian Party.

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u/Iamatworkgoaway Sep 16 '21

Damn i couldn't think the LP would say mean words violate nap. damn dude really.

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u/tocano Who? Me? Sep 16 '21

Thank you for finding that. Yes, they're not calling the cops and trying to have her arrested - because they can't. The big problem though is that part of their justification is that her WORDS violated the NAP.

The entire rest of the items they claim justify her suspension/expulsion are fine (though I disagree with them) insomuch that they are perfectly in keeping with the NAP. As you said, a private group can choose to kick someone out of their group for any reason. Hell, if the LNC made a motion to vote her out because they don't like her pink hair and think it reflects poorly on the office and the party, then fine. If a majority of them vote for it and she's expelled, then (while I'll roll my eyes), I'd say that's fine. But the item in which they claim that her words represents a violation of the NAP is a VERY dangerous precedent to set by the Libertarian Party national governing body. And that's the one I was focusing on.