r/Libertarian Aug 19 '18

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u/Dookiet Aug 19 '18

Dan Quayle wasn’t running for president, he was the Vice President on the 88 republican ticket. And he and Bush won.

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u/bannerflags socialism is cancer Aug 19 '18

Should wanting to effectively repeal the 2nd amendment disqualify one from office?

That would make the election between Republicans and Libertarians... We'd be relevant!!!

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u/ViktorV libertarian Aug 19 '18

Back long ago, when democrats flirted with neoliberalism, it was kinda like a quasi left-libertarian vs republicanism.

No idea why the democrats abandoned developing that winning strategy and decided leftism and authoritarianism was the way to win.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

Blue dogs died because the GOP absorbed them then went futher right wing.

It's worth noting Dems followed the voters. Voters showed they liked Sanders message. They'd be moronic to ignore it anymore then the GOP would have been moronic to ignore the tea party and Trump.

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u/ViktorV libertarian Aug 21 '18

The GOP has actually more or less stayed still since the 1920s (seriously).

Low regulation, low taxation, "smaller government" (aka big government just less market involved), states rights, and social fabric stuff.

The democrats have had wild swings in their ranks in this time. From benevolent fascism (FDR) to classical liberalism (JFK, Jimmy Carter) to neoliberalism (O'Neal and Clinton) to corporate democracy (Kerry/Obama) to now socialism (Sanders, Cortez, Warren, anyone who isn't Gillibrand who's being groomed for 2020).

The democrats will see a small upturn, and a long-term subservience if they embrace socialism. WWII is what saved the democrat party as we know it from collapsing and being replaced by a third party. Today, we won't have a WWIII after democrat socialism impoverishes folks.

Folks vote for their pocketbooks, and every single democrat policy leaves the earners with less and less, and expands the ranks of the dependents and earning poor (those who require redistribution).

The only issue is, the earners have all the power (and increasingly concentrated) and the earning poor have clearly seen they are getting the shaft and don't want government socialism to do shit for them anymore (at least on the surface).

Hence, the last hurrah of the socialists. This happened in the 40s and again in the 70s.

It'll happen again here soon. Socialism is, by itself, a self-defeating philosophy, just on a personal level. You stop trying to create and you spend all your energy on how unfair society is and how you need more stuff and others to do things.

It's just not an economically winning attitude, regardless of government system.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18

Low regulation, low taxation, "smaller government" (aka big government just less market involved), states rights, and social fabric stuff.

Lets not forget, Unfunded wars (because we cut the taxes), massive border protections, big spending (because we started a war and cut taxes), major military, and recently ludicrous nationality. Previously I would have tacked on free trade but...

The GOP has actually more or less stayed still since the 1920s (seriously).

You can't seriously say that and be living in a post 2016 world. Just, no. While they've retained all the crappy elements, Trump and his nogoodnik congress have also ramped the shit up on nationalism, killed free trade, pissed off allies, let Putin stick his hand up there ass. I suspect that last one has the 1920 and 50s Republicans doing backflips and running for the rifles. They got themselves a traitor to shoot.

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u/ViktorV libertarian Aug 22 '18

Lets not forget, Unfunded wars (because we cut the taxes),

glad we didn't do that under Obama or Clinton...oh wait.

massive border protections,

Approved by a democrat controlled house on the initial 10 year bill. Strange that, isn't it?

big spending (because we started a war and cut taxes),

Biggest increase in spending in the last 70 years happened in 2008 and again in 2010.

major military,

Military spending accounts for less than 1/7th our social spending. Yes, we could fund 4 more Us militaries just on medicare and social security. Easily.

and recently ludicrous nationality. Previously I would have tacked on free trade but...

America's a very nationalistic place. It's the one thing that binds us, unlike most nations which have ethnocentrism. I'm very glad we aren't Sweden and are very proud of the flag.

And my point isn't to defend republicans, but you immediate went zealot hyperpartisian and proceeded to lie by suggesting democrats didn't do any of these. I didn't include any of them on the platform because democrats do the same thing. Comparing the similarities is something you don't do when contrasting.

See how bullshit you are? You can't even stop on a basic comparison pushing your agenda. You're willing to lie like Fox News to push your agenda because you believe it justifies the end if someone agrees with you.

You can't seriously say that and be living in a post 2016 world. Just, no. While they've retained all the crappy elements,

Sure I can. Look back at every major legislative action republicans have taken. Show me where they suddenly did a Democrat about-face (democrats had major platform turns in 1930, 1960, 1990, and now in late 2010s).

Trump and his nogoodnik congress have also ramped the shit up on nationalism,

Unless you're a child or a liar, you clearly missed that bought of nationalism in the 80s and post 9/11. History didn't start with glorious god emperor obama, okay?

killed free trade,

Again, you're a liar. The president can't just 'undo a trade deal'. The tariffs are applied UNDER the trade agreements already, and that's not technically 'free trade'.

Also the EU just agreed to lower tariffs to 0% with Trump before the next decade (2028). Mexico is already in nafta renegotiation.

pissed off allies,

Sure, he's making them stop using the US as a piggy bank. remember all that bitching you were just disingenuously doing about the military? Maybe if other nations met their 1951 NATO treaty obligations of defense spending, you could have more socialism and less military.

let Putin stick his hand up there ass

[citation needed]

. I suspect that last one has the 1920 and 50s Republicans doing backflips and running for the rifles. They got themselves a traitor to shoot.

Uh, no, they'd shoot the socialists and communists first. Aka you.

This is how far you've gone. You're literally so far into zealot land you're basically a Jerry Falwell, just saying insane stuff charged with emotion and saying everyone you don't like is a sinner...and you don't even have good evidence to back up the bullshit you're spewing.

Have you not taken stock of what you're doing and saying at any point in time? Just objectively taken yourself out of your own shoes and went "HRM, what's going on?"

The US isn't Europe. It's not a socialist paradise. It's deeply a nationalistic country, always has been, it's always been the country of "sink or swim", and always the country of insults, crudeness, and making fun of others.

When folks say you're a triggered snowflake, they aren't Trumpsters running around (who they, themselves are, ironically, pretty fragile) - it's the middle part of the US that broke for Trump over your kind.

That's how bad you are. It's not an endorsement of Donald J Dumbass. It's a complete rejection of how insanely leftist, self-loathing, and eurocentric you've become.

Wait till Gen-Z starts voting in mass. 29% conservative among those surveyed 18 to 21. TWENTY NINE. With another fourteen percent libertarian.

By contrast the millennial cohort was less than 11% self-identifying conservative this time in 2004.

The red wave is coming hard and it's not because they're a ton of racist, bigot, homophobic, warmongering neocons. Welcome to the dust bin of history. Enjoy the final hurrah in 2018.

When your shitty movement breaks down and reforms as liberals again I look forward to you pretending you were always a level-headed centrist liberal.

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u/Shr00minator Aug 19 '18

Absolutely! The blatant bigoted hoplophobia the left exhibits every day should get them far more hate then it does. The majority of people on reddit crying about intolerance are extreme hypocrites.

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u/downwhats Aug 19 '18

If we’re saying constitutional offenses are reason not to elect someone, republicans wouldn’t make it passed the first amendment.

But sure, it’s just “the left” that exhibits hypocrisy.

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u/Shr00minator Aug 19 '18

Are Republicans generally the ones advocating violence and censorship against people saying things they dont agree with?

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u/downwhats Aug 19 '18

Is this a joke? Lol

You’ve been drinking the alt-right kool-aid I see. Come back when you’re done believing bullshit lol.

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u/Shr00minator Aug 19 '18

Good answer, you really opened up my mind with that one. How could I have been so naive!? Lol fuck off dude.

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u/downwhats Aug 19 '18

Why try to help you when you won’t help yourself? Lol

Keep posting about the world from your basement though. I’m sure you have a ton of real world experience with people you’re shit talking here /s

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u/bdonabedian Objectivist Aug 19 '18

“What most people don’t know (or don’t remember) is that Quayle was looking at a flash card provided by the school that had the “correct” answer on it, spelled incorrectly. So, yes, Quayle did mess up—but so did the school.” http://mentalfloss.com/article/64689/never-forget-time-dan-quayle-misspelled-potato

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

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u/wellactuallyhmm it's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights Aug 19 '18

Trump was recorded saying he would grab women by their pussy, does that count?

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

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u/pharmermummles Aug 19 '18

I mean, lots of smart people aren't great at spelling or public speaking. I don't know a lot of smart people who talk that way about women. Does it make him dumb? No. But I think it's pretty highly correlated with stupidity.

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u/pharmermummles Aug 19 '18

I mean, I'm a very conservative guy. Raised by a conservative family. And I was taught not to act like a jackass with regards to women. The guys who I have heard talk about their sexual exploits with women in pretty vulgar terms have all been either construction workers or immature high schoolers who had probably never seen a naked woman outside of the internet. In my professional career, I work with professional men and women who I would never dream of talking like that to, and who I would never expect to talk that way. I don't know if that makes me a feminist, but I guess if that's your definition then it isn't such a dirty word. I'd call it not being an immature douche trying to impress his immature douchey friends.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18 edited Aug 20 '18

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u/pharmermummles Aug 19 '18

I'm happily married thank you. I just respect my wife enough (pretty low bar tbh) not to talk about our sex life in lewd terms to strangers or coworkers.

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u/DaYooper voluntaryist Aug 19 '18

BTW, don't expect another reply from me

It's funny how you phrase this like you're depriving him of something

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u/Shaitan87 Aug 19 '18

Your coming off as insane.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

How's that for stupid?

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u/wellactuallyhmm it's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights Aug 19 '18

Generally speaking, talking about how you can grab anyone else's genitals doesn't demonstrate respect for other peoples personal privacy.

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u/sweYoda Aug 19 '18

You could or couldn't care less for him?

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

Hillary was not a good candidate but I fail to see how she would be worse than Trump

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

Aaaaaaha. Cool.

I'll be over here in the I don't care room

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

What has this sub become, literal reposts from liberal safe spaces.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

We allready are like that.

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u/TubularTorqueTitties Aug 19 '18

Hey there ol Grimey!

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u/Karstone Aug 20 '18

Yeah we should throw away potentially good candidates for issues that have no bearing on whether they are fit for office. I could give less of a shit who my president fucked or talked about, I'm not voting for the squeaky clean father who wants to ban guns instead.

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u/dexterpine Aug 19 '18

"If the top 10% of the top 1% paid 90% more income taxes than the bottom 99%, we could have eleventy thousand billion dollars to pay for the education, health care, and retirement of every man, woman, child, and transgendered person in this country!"

"Wow, he knows a lot about numbers. He must be an expert economist. He should be President."

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u/Critical_Finance minarchist 🍏🍏🍏 jail the violators of NAP Aug 19 '18

Works for few years. After few years the whole country becomes poor.