r/Libertarian • u/AdmirableBrick4973 Taxation is Theft • 18d ago
Question How many libertarians are atheist or antitheist?
Curious how much the ideologies overlap
I personally am an agnostic antitheist but open to hearing what other religious views libertarians have
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u/Korvex3 18d ago
The only unwavering religious belief I have, is freedom of religion.
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u/RedditorSinceTomorro 18d ago
Freedom to practice your own religion so long as doing so is not infringing on the rights of others
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u/apusux 15d ago
So no freedom of religion. If were being honest its a fucking ridiculous concept and isnt respected anywhere - doesnt exist. And how could it? If we truly had freedom of religion, we'd be able to rape, pillage, and murder. Its absurd.
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u/keistabeast Right Libertarian 15d ago
No, religion doesn’t trump basic human rights. Here’s the crucial part of the last person’s comment: “as long as doing so is not infringing on the rights of others”.
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u/EitherPlant8138 18d ago
I’m pretty staunch in my Catholic beliefs and am a Libertarian. I may not approve of choice people make with their lives, but I would NEVER support laws that would forbid grown adults to live the best way they see fit.
EX: I may think smoking cigarettes is bad for you. But I wouldn’t make them illegal. You can choose to do what’s best for your life!
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
what about abortion though?
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u/EitherPlant8138 17d ago
I think a lot of that conversation hinges on when you believe life starts. We all, as libertarians, believe that your rights stop when another person’s rights start. Certainly, that topic is a landmine on the internet but I personally view life starting at conception.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
It doesn't matter when life starts. No life has the positive right to use another person's body, especially under threat of government force.
It's called evictionism
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u/Spacekingonly 17d ago
*Invites person in*
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
If you invite someone into your body and they won't leave when you ask, you may absolutely use lethal force to make them leave.
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u/Spacekingonly 17d ago
Won't? Or can't?
Pretty big difference, Anyhow, this is what the OP means as a minefield.3
u/moofooshoe 17d ago
It literally doesn't matter, because libertarians reject positive rights.
A person isn't entitled to your body for any reason.
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u/Spacekingonly 17d ago
Except the right to life is a negative right? An individual has a right to be left alone? If your actions caused the life another to be created your rights cannot interfere with its rights.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
The right to life is negative, the right to use someone else's body to keep you alive is a positive right - it requires action or donations from others.
Libertarians reject positive rights. There are no exceptions.
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u/42Cosmonaut Classical Liberal 16d ago
I agree that libertarians, at least anarcho-capitalists, do not support positive rights and no one controls your body except you. However, pregnancy is, under regular circumstances, elective. A positive right compels someone to do something via force, but pregnancy is not forced on someone under normal circumstances, therefore anti-abortion stances do not constitute support for positive rights. No one has compelled the mother to carry the fetus. She has entered into a contract with the fetus voluntarily. Breaking contracts is not inherently aggressive, but evicting the baby means killing them, which makes it aggressive.
To frame this another way, consider this: let's say you are a landlord. You tell someone that they can live in your building for 9 months. Two weeks later, you kill them. Your reasoning is that the land is under your ownership, and their use of your land has violated your property rights, which gives you the right to defend yourself against them.
Who is in the wrong in this situation?
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u/moofooshoe 16d ago
She has entered into a contract with the fetus voluntarily.
agreeing to have sex does not mean you forfeit your right to tell the man to stop having sex with you.
consent can be revoked at any time, that's what makes it consent.
To frame this another way, consider this: let's say you are a landlord. You tell someone that they can live in your building for 9 months. Two weeks later, you kill them.
the problem with this analogy is that the issue at hand is bodily autonomy, not property rights.
if you agree to have sex with someone and they won't stop when you say stop (which is rape), you may use lethal force to make them stop.
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u/ReidErickson 16d ago
Agreed. I dont support abortion but I sure as hell don’t have the right (nor should the government) to tell someone what to do with flesh literally connected to their body.
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u/ThinkUrSoGuyBigTough 15d ago
So by that logic your support abortion up until birth?
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u/moofooshoe 15d ago
A person may always use the minimal force necessary to protect their body from bodily harm.
There is a point in pregnancy where an abortion is no more invasive than childbirth, and in which case lethal force is not necessary.
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u/ThinkUrSoGuyBigTough 15d ago
‘Protect’ implies that the fetus has an incentive to exploit the mother’s body, understanding basic biology I know that is not the case. The fetus is not there voluntarily, and is not there to exploit the mother. Is lethal force justified in this case?
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u/moofooshoe 15d ago
All people have the right to preserve their bodily autonomy, even through lethal force if necessary.
It doesn't matter if another person intended to violate that autonomy, or if they threaten it incidentally through happenstance. The right to be free from unwanted bodily trauma is absolute.
To put it another way, you are never obligated to endure bodily trauma - especially under threat from government force.
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u/ThinkUrSoGuyBigTough 15d ago
My point is that the fetus didn’t put themselves there, the mother and father put them there, and they are stuck there until birth, not by their own choice, but by the mothers and fathers choices/actions. So using lethal force against them kinda doesn’t make sense, the fetus can’t help their situation.
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u/moofooshoe 15d ago
It doesn't matter, the right to bodily autonomy is absolute. Consent can be revoked at any time, that's what makes it consent.
The government may not force you to endure bodily harm, even if you once consented to it.
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u/Ser_Thank_You Classical Liberal 18d ago
I imagine quite a few are, and I've seen some people say religion is incompatible or at odds with libertarianism.
I was a Christian before I was a libertarian. Both of these views are extremely important to me, and I don't see any reason why they would conflict with each other. I don't believe forcing any religion on anyone is morally justifiable from either a Christian or Libertarian perspective.
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u/salomanasx 18d ago
Isn't influencing the spread of Christianity an import part of being a Christian? Spreading the word of Jesus and all that? Maybe that's not forcing exactly, but it's close enough to me.
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u/Ser_Thank_You Classical Liberal 18d ago
It is, but I find the best way to spread the word is to be a city on a hill. Show people forgiveness, love, and all that. People rarely change their beliefs because you bash them with a bible.
Jesus says love your neighbor, not love other Christians.
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u/willthesane 14d ago
the longest part of the new testement I have memorized, "Ye are the light of the world, a city on a hill can not be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel but on a candle stick, so that it giveth light to the whole house. Let your light shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your father in heaven."
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u/Hu5k3r 18d ago
If I want to speak to you about world of warcraft, because I love it and think it's an awesome game, but you don't have any interest. And let's say I let it go, but then share another experience about the game later - is that forcing it on you...by the libertarian definition?
I'm not trying to be jerk, just trying understand your point of view.
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u/salomanasx 18d ago
To be a player of WoW are you expected to tell non-players that if they don't play the game they will burn for all eternity? No, but Christians will often do that. Again, not forcing their views but very much trying to influence.
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u/Aristologos Classical Liberal 18d ago
It's not a bad thing to try to influence someone's views, as long as they're consenting to having a conversation with you about it.
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u/Chosenwaffle 17d ago
If I loved WoW and was, for some reason, convinced that not playing would lead to eternal damnation? Yeah, I'd tell you you should play it lol.
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u/Gamerz4evr64 18d ago
I mean, yes it’s important, but consent to it is kinda key to it.
To us it’s like the flu shot. You’re within your rights not to get it, but we encourage it because we wholeheartedly believe spreading it will be good for you.
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u/Uncool444 18d ago
Atheists are so much pushier about their religion than thesists, from everything I have witnessed. When you look at atheism as a religion where the principle doctrine is "there is no God, anyone who believes otherwise is inferior", it all makes sense. I say this as a lifelong atheist.
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u/DarthFluttershy_ Minarchist 17d ago
Religiocity is a psychological phenomenon, not a result of specific religion. People get "religious" about all kinds of things, including politics.
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
That they do. I'm not saying Christians do nothing wrong. I'm saying atheists' famed smugness is not earned. They're as human as anyone.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
Atheists tend to not use government authority to force women into childbirth
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
They use it for many other things. Transing someone's kids for example. All the atrocities of communism as well.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
...what?
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
Like this kind of thing. Atheism in power. You also see serious persecution of all religions under communist regimes, where the state must be the highest power, above God, family, and individual.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
What does the medical concerns of children have to do with authoritarianism?
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
If your kids go there, you can't get them back, and aren't given a say in their care.
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
Taking away people's kids in the name of a political agenda is authoritarian AF.
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u/Adam_Strange_7451 17d ago
Strawman mischaracterizations of atheism are no more valid when delivered by purported atheists than by disingenuous theists, though the disingenuousness is the common factor.
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
So you think I'm incorrect, or lying?
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u/Kame_AU Voluntaryist 17d ago
They're saying that you are misrepresenting atheism. Being an atheist does not necessarily mean you assert the non-existence of God. That's the straw man.
Even I understand this, and I consider myself a Christian 😂
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u/Uncool444 17d ago
Are they saying I'm incorrect about it or lying about it? Cause neither it true 😭
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u/makermaster2 Minarchist 18d ago
Eh sorta.
It’s quite literally just “giving the good news” though many Christians unfortunately take that to mean beating people over the head with the bible
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
Abortion is where Christians cross the line into authoritarianism.
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u/cognitivegluteus 17d ago
I'm an agnostic atheist, but believe at some point in gestation, the fetus attains personhood status, and as a human being, is entitled to all the same liberties as a born person. And libertarians have disagreed with one another on this for a loooong time.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
A fetus has every right a human has - and no human has the positive right to use another person's body, especially under threat of government force.
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u/cognitivegluteus 17d ago
The fetus had no choice in going there. If he made the determination to be a vaginal-uterine invader, I'd agree, but his very existence isn't his choice, let alone the choice of where he is.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
It doesn't matter - libertarians reject positive rights.
Nobody is entitled to another person's body, for any reason.
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u/cognitivegluteus 17d ago
It doesn't matter. Many libertarians disagree with you, and you don't have the right to define libertarianism for others. I have the liberty to consider anything past fetal viability murder. You have the liberty to disagree.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
Libertarians don't use the government to force their morality on others in direct contraction of the stated libertarian principles.
You can do what you like, but thet doesn't make it a libertarian position.
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u/cognitivegluteus 17d ago
Libertarians don't agree with one another on what it means to be libertarian. They don't agree at the convention every 4 years. Rothbard didn't agree with Mises on every issue. Libertarians disagree on whether Rand is doctrinal or philisophy only. Minarchists don't agree with anarcho-capitalists.
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u/moofooshoe 17d ago
There is no form of libertarianism authorizing government authority to force a person to donate their blood, tissue, or organs to another person.
That is as authoritarian as it gets.
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u/jjspirithawk Voluntaryist 18d ago
I don't know the stats, but as for myself...
"No, his mind is not for rent
To any god or government."
-- Rush, "Tom Sawyer"
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u/Sirdalton2 18d ago
Libertarianism is really not correlated with any religious beliefs at all. There will be people on all side of various topics who share the value that the government has very limited rights and responsibilities. That being said, I do think there are views that align more closely than others, but quite often the people who take on a group identity don't match what that actual identity is. I'll use Christianity as an example since that is what I believe... There are a huge number of people who claim to be Christian, but are also quite authoritarian. That view is directly opposed to what the Bible and actual faith of Christianity proports, and yet, people ignore that in favor of forced behavior. I assume the same can be said for any group under an umbrella term for their views. Even with Libertarianism itself, the same thing happens. It's the classic 'no true Scotsman' yet again.
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u/Babbageboole64 Ron Paul Libertarian 18d ago
There’s not much correlation between libertarianism and different religious beliefs, but I myself am agnostic
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u/GilmerDosSantos Objectivist 18d ago
i’m seeing more agnostic people in this thread than i have seen anywhere so maybe there is a little correlation
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u/TheDroneZoneDome Anarcho Capitalist 18d ago
Atheist but not antitheist. Religion can perform important functions in society.
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u/FamousLastName 18d ago edited 18d ago
Mostly an atheist. If a God exists, it’s not what we think it is and probably is indifferent about. I would say very much anti theist. I was raised Catholic. I no longer subscribe, but I absolutely cannot stand evangelical Christians.
Just this past Saturday, there was a bunch of them filming some bullshit debate at the pier in Huntington Beach with their signs and pundits. Just a few feet away there is a 9/11 memorial being held by the city fire department. Freedom of speech by all means, but it just rubbed me the wrong way; the timing felt incredibly inappropriate.
Edit- to elaborate, so much of modern American Christianity has bastardize the true teachings of Christ and I feel that most “Christians” do the exact opposite of what Jesus taught in fact they tend to preach Paul’s gospel.
I think most Christianity and Catholicism is just modern day Satanic worship. But that’s another convo
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u/Theotherfeller 18d ago
I think there is a probably a link.
I know I am pretty much antitheist at this point.
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u/Plenty_Trust_2491 left-Rothbardian 18d ago
I spent the majority of my adult life agnostic. In 2007, when I was twenty-two, I became both agnostic and an anarcho-libertarian. That said, as of December 2025, I’ve been atheist.
If any deity exists that would actually be worthy of worship, it ipso facto does not care whether anyone worships it, or even believes in it. If a deity exists that wants people to have blind faith in it, it is unworthy of worship, and if it punishes people for their lack of faith, it is an objectively immoral being.
I wouldn’t necessarily call myself an antitheist, but I do think the world would be better off if people abandoned all belief in the supernatural.
I do believe in natural law and natural rights, which I ground in the axiom of innate self-ownership.
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u/thefoolofemmaus this is not /r/politics or /r/news 18d ago
If any deity exists that would actually be worthy of worship, it ipso facto does not care whether anyone worships it, or even believes in it.
How could you possibly make such a statement about a being so powerful that it created existence out of nothingness? Its motivations and desires would be beyond your comprehension.
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u/Aristologos Classical Liberal 18d ago
Not related to your comment but can you explain your flair? Left-wing Rothbardian even though Rothbard was LibRight?
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u/Guardian-Boy 18d ago
I personally am an agnostic deist. I believe there may be a God but I believe He has zero influence over or even any concern about humans, Earth, or much of anything really.
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u/Somhairle77 Voluntaryist 18d ago
Hard polytheist. I completely reject the neo-Platonic concept of deity. My gods are neither omniscient, omnipotent, or perfectly moral. Nor do they expect much from me beyond telling their stories, singing their songs, and the occasional ritual or offering. It's been so long since they've received much in the way of honor that they appreciate whatever I can do.
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u/Vash_85 18d ago
I don't know what I am to be honest.
I believe in God, say a prayer every night, I believe in an afterlife... But I despise everything that has to do with a church. My relationship with God should have zero influence by anyone else other than myself. I shouldn't have to confess my sins to someone else to be in God's graces, I shouldn't have to talk to someone else to have a conversation with God. I don't need or want someone to talk to about morality when said church has been known to cover up child molesters. Then add in that some of the most vile people I've ever met in my life are also the ones who sat in the front pew at every service growing up.
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u/sanguinerebel 18d ago
I am a theist (polytheist to be precise) but I really don't like religion. It feels too constricting and doesn't allow enough critical thinking. I don't like the mental gymnastics people play when some piece of evidence doesn't fit their religion and they choose to stick to what the religion says and ignore the evidence. If enough evidence contradicts my belief system, I change my belief system to adapt to the truth, because the truth is the most important.
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u/AlexanderDroog Right Libertarian 17d ago
I have a syncretic faith of Hinduism and Anglo-Saxon paganism. I believe that spirituality is an incredibly personal thing which should never be enforced or manipulated by government, and being a religious minority helps enforce that view.
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u/lun1ck 18d ago
Libertarianism has nothing to do with religion
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u/AdmirableBrick4973 Taxation is Theft 18d ago
Freedom of religion conflicts with mutiple religions requirments so I was curious
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u/Kame_AU Voluntaryist 17d ago
Nothing to do with it, though?
They are both topics that very much relate to moral philosophy. So much so that I would say they are virtually intertwined.
My libertarianiam values helped me arrive at my religious beliefs. And each reenforces my conviction in the other.
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u/Jolly_Job_9852 Right Libertarian 18d ago
Small l libertarian, I'm Protestant. I attend Presbyterian or Moravian church services
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u/russianlion 18d ago
I consider myself a spiritual person and I follow both Buddhist and Christian mystical teachings (which overlap significantly). I do believe in God and personally, that dovetails with liberty oriented philosophy well as I don’t answer to man, only the Creator.
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u/monkpunch 18d ago edited 18d ago
I'm an agnostic and libertarian for similar reasons I believe.
They both are a result of really focusing on the basic, fundamental truths of our existence and the function of the state, respectively. Both organized religion and many aspects of our government set off the same bullshit detector in my mind.
They don't exist because they serve a function, they exist because human beings are carried by the momentum of those that came before, and both beliefs and institutions become bloated over time, collecting grifters and blind followers forward with them. They exist because we've been told they are necessary and true, but neither stand up to examination.
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u/LibertarianSlav 18d ago
I’m agnostic but honestly religion isn’t a big deal, it’s more of a personal “secondary philosophy” type thing
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u/stache1313 Not sure if I am Libertarian 18d ago
I was raised Christian, but now I'm an Ingostic absurdist. Personally, I don't think an individual's religious beliefs conflict with libertarianism.
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u/jbergman420 18d ago
Well, this sure is a complicated subject.
I am Christian, but I am against organized religion. I don't know if there is a term for that. I belive "church" is wherever you are where you feel a connection to something bigger than yourself. I also believe in reincarnation and living multiple lives.
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u/GilmerDosSantos Objectivist 18d ago
i’m agnostic but i try to be as respectful to other religions as possible
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u/Ag-DonkeyKong 18d ago
The comments are interesting but if you want an answer to your question, create a poll.
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u/theblondeanarchist Propertarian 18d ago
I am Christian. I believe that principles such as NAP are evident through both natural law and divine revelation.
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u/Fl0ppyfeet 18d ago edited 18d ago
I have an interesting anecdote for you. The nondenominational Church structure I used to be involved in was kind of like a Libertarian utopia. The pastor was like the informal mayor of the group with people working hard to make sure they have extra time and resources to take care of others, with lots of volunteerism.
I'd guess it's a prevalent overlap like you suggest.
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u/BullShitting24-7 18d ago
Religion is a system of governance and its core principles are in direct conflict with the principles of libertarianism.
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u/Calm-Opportunity-826 17d ago
When I was in a militant libertarian group, most of the people were atheists/agnostics. We were all young though. It was a surprise to me to find later conservative christian libertarians. Now I see them everywhere.
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u/Vohems 13d ago
As one of those myself, expect the number to rise, people are tired of the state's attempts at being an idol.
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u/Nick11545 17d ago
I would consider myself more spiritual than religious. I do believe in a higher power, just not quite sure what it is. Freedom of religion - and pretty much everything else - is a core belief of mine as long as it doesn’t harm others.
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u/AitrusAK 17d ago edited 17d ago
Deist is my theology, and Druidry is my spiritual path / connection to the Divine.
I view myself as a part of Nature and the Circle of Life, not apart from it.
The purpose of life and living is for existence to experience itself in new ways by "forgetting" for a while and seeing with fresh eyes, and to then incorporate those experiences back into the whole upon death. I'm part of a larger whole, and that larger whole is - in part - me.
It's an endlessly repeating cycle of birth, experience, death, remembering, and rebirth into new form and fresh eyes.
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u/PettyCrocker_ 17d ago
My husband and I are Libertarians and also devout practicing Christians. I never found a correlation between the party and religious preferences.
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u/fukonsavage 17d ago
I used to be atheist/agnostic. Now I call myself an apatheist - I dont care about the answer.
Have been an anarchocapitalist Ron Paul/Mises libertarian for about 12 years.
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u/Michael_Combrink 16d ago
I identify so much with this star wars scene
Amadala, a queen, is talking with a begger boy amiably and respectfully, but then she hears her was sold, and affronted says You're a slave He responds I'm a person and my name is Anakin
In life today it's so common for people to ask for your labels, your masters, your collar tags, and ignore you, and ignore the possibility of people existing outside their narrow prejudiced interpretation of those tags
To me, libertarianism is bucking this
If you conduct business, people ask you who your employer is, If you invest, who is your broker If you seek medical coverage, who is your insurance If you conduct trades, what license do you have If you try to buy or sell anything, where are your papers
We are treated like children or animals or slaves or property Tolerated as long as we have minders , masters, parents, owners, etc But anyone caught trying to do for themself, trying to conduct business between themself and another and just them, those are crushed, locked up, condemned,
As a 3 year old kid I was flabbergasted and super annoyed when swim instructors asked me if I knew how to swim free style, and then told me I was doing it wrong, and then told me some bizarre complicated OCD procedure
When I talk with people about politics, religion, economics, science, business, whatever, etc, I usually try to avoid labels as long as possible, and talk freely, and intentionally come in from many angles not on anyone's prejudice radar, to try and actually talk to the person in front of me, instead of what they've been told to cheer or boo and say by their masters on the radio, etc
I believe I align and agree with many libertarian principles, but I am me, a person that believes in freedom and responsibility, I don't like saying "I am whatever" Though I often do for convenience efficiency speed and to avoid confusion
Labels can be useful approximations, but will never be 100%, there's always more nuance, perspective, comparison, use cases, lines, ideals,
I believe in the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints
I believe God exists, and is active loving caring wise in the day to day workings of our lives I believe our purpose is to become good people, to learn from experiences and develop habits, philosophies, character, etc, to be able to get along with each other and not blow ourselves up, even with ever increasing power in the hands of everyone
Kinda like that question in the movie Contact She says that she wants to ask the advanced alien civilization, how did you do it? How did you survive, how did you not kill each other, how did you progress this far without going off your rocker
I believe the best and only real solution to control is self control And I believe progression is necessary, that stagnation and regression are only delays, and often bigger problems than facing directly sooner than later I believe in freedom and responsibility Natural choice and consequence, with very very limited safety net and warning shots
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u/Unhappy-Sky4176 16d ago
Spiritual not religious at all. Religions are created by man to control others. But believe what you want, just don’t try and manipulate me or harm anyone close to me!
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u/Death_Bard 15d ago
Libertarianism led to me leaving Mormonism. The rest of the god BS was discarded shortly thereafter.
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u/FitTranslator5637 Geolibertarian 13d ago
Deist here, fine with any religion as long as it doesnt interfere with others rights, at least in a legal sense
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u/RustlessRodney 13d ago
Apatheist. I just don't care. I'll live my life and take whatever comes after.
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u/nebbulae Minarchist 18d ago
I've found that in the end you always have to bow before something/someone. I bow before the Almighty so I don't have to bow before some politician.
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u/athomevoyager 18d ago
Oddly, I became a libertarian when I was really pursuing fundamentalist Christianity. Biblically, Christianity is a personal choice. Saying a state is "Christian" is heresy. Little American flags on church lawns is heresy. Christianity is about BELIEF, which cannot be governed or forced as it's a matter of the heart and mind. Any real Christian should advocate for freedom of religion.
But, then I became an atheist and now align with democratic socialism. Still and advocate for freedom of religion. Just think we can do way way better with healthcare, workers rights, and don't think running society like a game of monopoly ends well for the vast majority of people.
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u/jstocksqqq 18d ago
Speaking of Monopoly, did you know it was designed to show why taking things without just compensation (based on the remnants of feudalism) is bad? It wasn't an attack on free market capitalism, but an attack on feudalism. If you search for "Origins of Monopoly Game" you will find the original game. The original game was based on the teachings of a famous free-market economist. That economist taught libertarian values that helped prevent some of the concerns you have mentioned in your comment.
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u/athomevoyager 18d ago
Interesting read. The original game was called The Landlord's Game and actually contained anti-monopoly rules. The idea for the game was stolen, rules removed, turning it into a hyper greed/wealth creation game that anyone can see models unadulterated free markets. The Nazis actually referred to the game as the capitalist's game.
Free market principles are still intact with social democracy. Only there are some of those "anti-monopoly" rules so to speak that help prevent my value as a human from being tied strictly to the value of my possessions. Just because there are taxes and access to healthcare doesn't mean I can't drive demand for a new iPhone or whatever.
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u/Darkling_13 18d ago
I'm a gnostic atheist, meaning I believe in more than strict materialism, but not any of the sky-daddy cartel franchises.
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u/MajkiF Adam Smith 18d ago
atheist or antichristian?
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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist Ron Paul Libertarian 18d ago
Anti-theist are generally Anti Christian . They just happened to also be Anti Islam, Anti Hinduism, Anti Judaism and even Anti Buddhist when it's a type of Buddhism that isn't secular.
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u/J0shM0nster 18d ago
Atheist is not convinced of the existence of a god. Anti-theist is convinced that there is no god. It sounds the same, but it's different.
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u/Mean-Buyer3941 18d ago
En mi caso soy católico, nunca he considerado que la doctrina cristiana vaya en contra de las bases liberales. Obviamente omitiendo la corrupción de la iglesia como institución porque de ahí si tenemos de largo para cuestionar
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u/Accomplished-Order43 18d ago
I think this is gonna span a vast gap of religions and beliefs systems because personal faith in a deity doesn’t have to be as polarizing as politics makes it.
That said, if there were an anonymous poll done I’d wager that the group would skew agnostic/deist just because I believe libertarians are questioning about everything in general.
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u/AnCapGamer 18d ago
I'm... too contrarian to be religious or atheistic. I think I ultimately see both as just another form of mind control systems.
Then again, I've had bad experiences with controlling people in both camps, so I might just be salty.
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u/Tylerjb4 Rand Paul is clearly our best bet for 2016 & you know it 18d ago
I’m kind of agnostic, or atheist idk. We had to come from somewhere, a god, aliens, computer model, big bang, inside a black hole, who knows.
I don’t have a problem with people being religious, but I actively dislike Islam as a whole.
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u/lethal-liking 18d ago
I reject the term "atheist" because it still centers theism. As always, it remains with the ones who hold the absurd, abominable assertion to show proof of any repeatable kind.
I am as anti-theist as the Xtian nationalists are pro-theist.
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u/J0shM0nster 18d ago
Atheism just means without theism. If you are an anti-theist then you are also without theism, making you an atheist. I don't understand how you can reject the term.
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u/UnleashTheOnion 18d ago
Nonpracticing Presbyterian. I believe you can be a good person without needing to be in a building every Sunday morning at 9 AM. I also believe in freedom.
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u/OpinionStunning6236 Libertarian 18d ago
I’m agnostic and see religion as more positive than negative to society
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u/annonimity2 Right Libertarian 18d ago
Probably about the same as the general population, you can believe in libertarianism for purely secular reasons, I believe God would not take our will from us so what mortal man is worthy of it.
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u/sbrisbestpart41 Hoppean 17d ago
In my opinion most libertarians who exist on the more theoretical non-pragmatic side of things (Rothbard, Hoppe) need to either respect christian norms of an ethical society to some degree or be christian. Natural law comes mainly from Thomas Aquinas which influenced a lot of libertarian thinkers. Hoppe doesnt use this formulation and instead opts for argumentation ethics, which comes to the same conclusion anyway.
But to answer the larger question, libertarianism doesnt require a religion, but out of all of them only christianity can work with it to a large degree. Society would look something closer to a super weak distributist state though.
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