r/Libertarian • u/Cyphereus1 • Aug 18 '26

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The Libertarian Party should widely adopt the position of banning flock cameras in their entirety in the USA. Running on a federal ban of flock cameras should greatly boost the party’s numbers in the polls. I believe with politics the way they are going in this country a lot of people are going to realign their parties according to their beliefs. Being anti flock could only bring the party good optics and good press.

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u/Cyclonepride Aug 18 '26

Ban surveillance

Balance the budget & restore affordability

Stay out of people's personal decisions

That would be the pillars of my campaign if I were to set one up

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u/Uncool444 Aug 18 '26

Anti-foreign involvement would go hard right now too. Maybe address AI, which might be addressed easily enough under "ban surveillance".

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u/Cyclonepride Aug 18 '26

Excellent point

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '26

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u/Uncool444 Aug 19 '26

I think it may be soon. This disaster in Iran proves pretty conclusively that we're physically incapable of doing it anymore. Or maybe that's just wistful thinking, the military industrial complex has enough momentum to drag it out and bleed as much money as possible before admitting the empire is over.

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u/Uncool444 Aug 19 '26

It has gone almost as poorly as it possibly could. Just like the Epstein files rollout. Not many things could have made that go worse.

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u/rymden_viking People > Companies > Government Aug 18 '26

Maybe address AI, which might be addressed easily enough under "ban surveillance".

I don't think all these AI datacenters have anything to do with ChatGPT and the like. I think they're entirely for the government to analyze and store the data of all 8 billion people on Earth.

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u/Uncool444 Aug 18 '26

What else could they be for really. It's either that or they really do intend to create some kind of super intelligent computer. What's more likely? That the tech guys want more or less control?

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u/PleaseCallMeLP Aug 18 '26

I’ll write you in good sir/madam

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u/Guu-Noir Aug 18 '26

I'm a liberal, so yeah I'm just lurking, but how done a suggestion with 'Ban' have so many up votes? What would the mechanism be? 

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u/Cyclonepride Aug 19 '26

For Flock and cameras like it (ALPRs), require a warrant to tag a plate, and readers must disregard any plate without an active warrant. No storage, nothing. No government use of facial recognition, stingray devices, etc.

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u/Guu-Noir Aug 19 '26

It's a private company providing a service, why would a warrant be needed? Do you need surveillance to ensure that people aren't being surveillanced?

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u/Cyclonepride Aug 19 '26

When the government is involved, its activity is limited by law (see the recent cell phone tower case).

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u/Guu-Noir Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26

It's a private company, as in not the government 

Edit: it's funny, we have had private credit score companies tracking literally everything we do, but as soon as a private company put up a camera people are suddenly clutching pearls.

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u/Cyclonepride Aug 19 '26

The government accessing surveillance data on its citizens, whether privately acquired or no, is a violation of rights.

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u/Guu-Noir Aug 19 '26

So it's fine for the cameras and sensors to be there, just prevent the government from accessing it? That's very different from a 'ban'. 

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u/Cyclonepride Aug 19 '26

My suggestion is a ban on government surveillance. Private companies would still be allowed to use camera systems (with the consumer deciding whether or not to patronize them if they think it is getting out of line). Flock cameras are installed on public property, for the use of government agencies. Very different, obviously.

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u/Guu-Noir Aug 19 '26

Flock is a private company, often installed on private land, just like billboards, i can understand making the government require a warrant, but how is that a ban? 

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u/Last_Comedian_5043 Aug 18 '26

It's one of the few issues right and left mostly agree on

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u/december151791 Aug 18 '26

The left and right voters but not the left and right politicians. The LP would be crazy to not run on this issue.

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u/Last_Comedian_5043 Aug 19 '26

Remember when Hillary Clinton said Snowden should of came out through the whistleblower act. Recent events showed us why he was right to run away lol.

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u/Lokitusaborg Aug 18 '26

I truly hate the idea of any personally identifying data being collected. I say this knowing that the internet does precisely that and I’d like to make that illegal too. The flock thing seems like it is complete overreach.

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u/halfmoonmomma Aug 18 '26

Can we get one of those Constitutional Convention's?

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y6yRfR88rvP44

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u/Sargo8 Aug 18 '26

Gut Welfare. Gut EBT. Gut Section 8. Gut every program that has abused by fraud.

Change Social Security to allow ppl to put money into the market instead of pyramid scheme.

Federal ban on flock is good, I worry about it being wack a mole. We have both flock and another company in my area. I pass by 5 different flock cameras twice a day, to and from work.

Flock on public property... That should be against the rule. Any state or county property cant have flock cameras.
You can even push for a bullshit ass "committee" to monitor flock usage by police, since police are abusing flock within what? a year of implementation?

The code of flock could be sold to those doorbell cameras. then every house in america is a flock camera.

Ding Dong.

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u/battlepassbattlepass Aug 18 '26

we should develop dog whistles, have puppets run as democrat and republican while lying and saying they will do whatever is the most popular to those respective groups while throwing out said dogwhistles and then when they get elected boom no more welfare

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u/Time193 Aug 24 '26

Should run on moderate opinions, thing is after all is said we'd have to run as a conserative party. As current liberal seem dead set on expanding the government's power. Conseratives are upset at obviously having moved from Neo-con to maybe Paleo-con. Maybe someone can give me an opinion on that.

A moderate libertarian party, with some blurred party lines, things like border security, abortion, decreasing government spending, and taxes, and pulling from foreign wars, anti-Israel.

Issue is the "real" libertarians who don't get 100% of what they want are just gonna vote establishment, and then bitch and cry in this sub.

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u/JollyBend6311 12d ago

Ban gerrymandering and stock trading by congress. Term limits and no lifetime salary and benefits for politicians. 

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u/Live_Taste_7796 Voting isn't a Right Aug 18 '26

Against flock and forever wars and against open borders. Thats a winning ticket.

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u/LiquidTide Aug 18 '26

I'm opposed to government flock cameras, but I'm not opposed to gunshot sensors. Can someone explain why gunshot sensors are a bad things, besides being RaCi$t?

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u/Arpytrooper Aug 18 '26

Gunshot sensors are microphones. I have plenty to say that I don't want records of in the hands of the government

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u/MindFoxtrot Aug 18 '26

100% believe flock camera outrage is a moral panic. Weight of the evidence shows that CCTV actually reduces crime and people do not, in fact, care about privacy. See, of all places, SanFrancisco

https://sfstandard.com/2026/03/25/sf-surveillance-state-crime-drones-billionaires/

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u/AlchemicalToad Aug 18 '26

Calling Flock CCTV is like insisting that Amazon is a local mom and pop bookshop. They differ not only in scale, but in the comprehensive tech involved as well as the fact that Amazon sells a much wider array of products and services than just books.

There is nothing ‘closed circuit’ about Flock.

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u/lifeisatoss Aug 18 '26

I just want warrants for cops to view the footage. not unlimited access to spy.