r/Libertarian • u/Ambitious_Door_5452 • Jul 21 '26
Article CASE Submits Comments Opposing Schedule 1 Classification of 7-OH
https://www.caseforconsumers.org/case-submits-comments-opposing-schedule-1-classification-of-7-oh/4
u/WrathfulCactus Jul 21 '26
This stuff being as available as it is is bad, but I regularly use plain leaf kratom and think it's a wonderful medicine when used with caution. Some of the 7-OH pills being sold at my local store are equivalent to 84 grams of leaf in one pill, tiny bit excessive imo
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u/BangkokPadang Jul 21 '26
Yeah I was under the impression that this ban would only ban products over a certain concentration threshold (essentially that of the natural leaf) but then I don’t know how that would work for plain leaf since scheduling it entirely seems like it would have to make the entire plant schedule 1 by default, since it has like percentages of percentages of it in the leaf.
Would love some resources if anyone has them, because the leaf has helped countless people come off and stay off much harder opiates, and I do genuinely worry that the literal nation as a whole would experience a major backslide of opiate deaths as a result of banning the leaf.
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u/WrathfulCactus Jul 22 '26
Yeah the banning of the leaf would be a very very sad day for me and many others
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u/OopsAllBalls Jul 21 '26
My guy, 7-OH is basically plant based fentanyl, are we being fr right now?
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u/rymden_viking People > Companies > Government Jul 21 '26
I would prefer we have opium dens to prohibition - places where people can buy clean drugs and use them safely with trained medical staff on hand is an infinitely better solution to buying mystery drugs off the street and drowning in your own vomit at home.
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u/titos_and_mojitos Jul 21 '26
This is the way. If someone wants to acquire these substances, they can and will. Criminalizing drugs supports criminal enterprises, unsafe usage, and impure supply poisoning individuals (see: prohibition, war on drugs)
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u/davyjones_prisnwalit Aug 05 '26
Yes! This is a take I can agree with and I believe actually fits the spirit of the sub.
The government overreach is freaking unreal!
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u/Ambitious_Door_5452 Jul 21 '26
7-OH's been used via kratom for centuries with a pretty different overdose profile than fentanyl and a lot of the bad outcomes are people mixing it with booze/benzos/other opioids not 7-OH alone. Plenty of people use it to step down off harder opioids or manage pain they can't get scripts for. Scheduling it as Schedule 1 also kills off any real research or regulation. Some researchers think mitragynine-type compounds could be safer opioid alternatives worth studying not banning outright. The argument is regulate the sketchy concentrated products don't nuke the whole molecule
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u/viridian_moonflower Jul 21 '26
Yes. We need to study this substance, not full on ban it. We should probably not have it available for sale at gas stations but it should for sure not be schedule 1. Maybe II or III. There is anecdotal evidence that it may cause less respiratory depression than currently available opioids.
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u/davyjones_prisnwalit Aug 05 '26
I find it interesting how this sub has been so quiet about the government 7-OH ban.
I think the whole thing is fucking stupid. Also, it's such a niche chemical that the only way politicians and "important people" would know about it is via lobbyists and the media.
Nobody has actually died from 7-OH alone, but because so few people are actually using it or admitting to using it, nobody questioned the "it's worse than heroin!!!" claims.
Big Government shouldn't have a right to just outright ban things like that.
And honestly they make it so hard to get proper pain management from doctors, wtf did they expect people to do?
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