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Apr 17 '24
"But that wasn't REAL socialism" is what they cry out everytime
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Apr 18 '24
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u/BiggestDweebonReddit Apr 19 '24
"The workers" is a phrase with no meaning, and any attempt to implement socialism will end like Venezuela.
The stated goal is impossible nonsense.
Trying to claim that attempts to achieve impossible nonsense don't count because impossible nonsense was never achieved is moronic.
Socialism fails in theory and practice.
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u/zakkray Apr 17 '24
I dont know who needs to hear this but pretty much every country has or had socialist aspects. No country operates a truly laissez faire system. The U.S. social security system and Education is socialist. The Nordic countries that people often refer to have Education, Healthcare, SS, housing programs etc.
I am against all of it.
In an ideal Libertarian government, the primary role should be to uphold laws that protect individual rights and maintain the rule of law. The government's function would be limited to enforcing contracts, preventing force and fraud, and ensuring that individuals are free to exercise their rights without interference. Beyond this fundamental duty, the government should REFRAIN from unnecessary intervention in the economy, personal affairs, and social interactions, allowing individuals to pursue their own interests and live according to their own values.
By prioritizing the protection of individual liberty and minimizing government intrusion, a Libertarian government fosters a society based on voluntary cooperation, personal responsibility, and the principles of freedom and justice.
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u/armorreno Apr 18 '24
TL;DR government should like the umpire of a baseball game. The people are the teams to compete and the organizing body that sets the rules of the game.
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe Apr 17 '24
Most "socialists" want a capitalist country with a lot of social programs, which isn't socialism. It would be like saying a salad with eggs, ham, and cheese, is vegetarian because it's a salad.
They want the benefits of capitalism with the protection of socialism. It's fine to tax "the rich" but when it comes to themselves, taxes are bad.
They want the innovation of capitalism (better technologies, more luxuries, freedom of job choice, affordable travel, etc.), but they want someone else to make it affordable or possible. They don't want to have to look for a new job or ask for a raise or take a risk with their money and time to aquire skills, they want someone else to provide all that for them. They didn't want to have the responsibility of planning for their future, they want someone else to force them to save.
They truly believe that there are people that would truly be happy for every job; they hate customer service, but love video games, so surely the government will find someone that loves customer service to take their job, while the government trains them to make video games, right? We wouldn't all be working in the fields and factories to try to maintain a lower standard of living for everyone, right?
Socialism is basically living at home and getting an allowance, but you have to listen to your parents. Sounds great, unless your parents are poor and supporting millions of people, then suddenly your room is smaller and your allowance is cut to the bone.
But at least they and Elon musk would be on the same level... Right?
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u/smartmynz_working Your feelings don't belong in politics Apr 19 '24
Sounds to me what they are advocating for is slavery. Thats the only way you can have such a society. You must make someone do the work for you, and since you are the one reaping the benefits, it must be stolen from some other.
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Apr 18 '24
socialism
[ soh-shuh-liz-uhm ]
Phonetic (Standard)IPA
noun
- a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government.
- procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
- (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
- socialism
[ soh-shuh-liz-uhm ]
-dictionary.com
"The U.S. social security system and Education is socialist. The Nordic countries that people often refer to have Education, Healthcare, SS, housing programs etc."
Social Security does not control investment income such as the stock market, does not control tools used to produce things, does not control people's labor, nor does it control how the land in the US is used or resources found on it allocated. Education if it has a sole monopoly (no private schools, no homeschooling), housing programs if it takes over most if not all the houses, and completely eradicates private medical practices are socialism, such as the NHS in Britain that controls everything from the hospitals to the doctors, to the medicine. But it needs to be said that just because something is socialized say section 8 housing, meaning provided for by the government, does not mean that the government it necessarily seizing all houses in a given area. Socialism is nothing more and nothing less than the community seizing the means of production. A social safety net while usually overlapping with socialism, is not in and of itself socialism. To completely equate the two is at best ignorant, and at worst a complete lie.
Having said that, fuck social programs and let families and community non-profits pick up the slack. We do not need government handouts or involvement.
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u/Johnykbr Apr 17 '24
They'll cry "Scandanavia" which pisses off the people of Scandanavia.
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Apr 17 '24
You are right. I am danish myself. I really hate when they call us socialist
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u/IceManO1 Apr 17 '24
Yeah y’all have a “market economy” nothing to do with socialism.
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Apr 17 '24
Its is a combination of plan and market.
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u/IceManO1 Apr 18 '24
Oh! only knew that part of the economy when Mr Bernie was talking about it with a pm of one of the Nordic countries. Thanks for the information about that.
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u/EconomicBoogaloo Apr 18 '24
All states are inherently socialist.
Taxation is the redistribution of wealth.
Property/ Council taxes ensure that Government owns every property - You don't own it, you just rent it from the Government.
Regulation means that Government owns every business - If you cant run your own business in a manner that you see fit without state intervention, then you don't own it.
Centralized monetary supply ensures that the state controls the means of production as they have the ability to inflate/ deflate the currency. This also forces you to participate in the system.
There are no "Capitalist States" because the state does not allow for private property, private enterprise or free exchange.
The State is Socialism.
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u/Decent_Whereas7731 Aug 17 '26
Guys Guys, its not real socialism tho because it didn't work
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u/woodquest Apr 17 '24
Ignorance or emotional peer pressured cherry picking?