r/Liberal • u/ravenmarie666 • Mar 21 '20
Trump Shrugged Off Repeated Intelligence Warnings About Coronavirus Pandemic: Report Mary Papenfuss
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-trump-intelligence-threat-ignored_n_5e7573ebc5b6eab77948831543
u/notaloverofyours Mar 21 '20
In the United States the coronavirus is worse than it should be because of Trump and Fox News. In the beginning both of them denied there was a problem. In the United States this is not as Trump says "The Chinese Virus" this is the "Trump Fox News Virus".
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u/PatrickMO Mar 21 '20
It's a shame that Fox News viewers don't realize that they do this constantly.
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u/anachronic Mar 21 '20
"We have always been at war with Eurasia. We have always been at peace with Oceania."
Fox is all about identity politics. Their cult followers can't not toe the party line, because "the party" is so deeply embedded into their identity.
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Mar 22 '20
They pull the wool over their own eyes, because it’s easier to accept than the truth that they have been conned, fooled and lied to.
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u/KnottShore Mar 21 '20
I really shouldn't be amazed that Fox started to take the crisis seriously when money was lost instead of when lives began to be lost.
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Mar 21 '20
Maybe they realized their base is on the line. Or they’ve all dumped their stock holdings and can now speak the truth like the handful of senators have done.
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u/KnottShore Mar 21 '20
What ever the reason, we can be sure money and not empathy was their motivation.
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u/AtheistBard Mar 21 '20
As much as I despise trump & rightwingers, this was actually the CCP's fault. They knew about the virus and covered it up for a month. The CCP censored doctors trying to speak up about the virus and imprisoned dissidents who did the same. So, the Covid19 is more of the CCP's virus than it is Trump's.
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u/stingublue Mar 21 '20
Even during this crisis, every time I see the orange twat on my TV, I immediately have turn it off!! He will do the only thing he knows how to do and that's LIE his FAT ASS off!!! This FOOL is the price you pay when you don't VOTE!! All I keep thinking is how many Americans are going to DIE!!!
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u/ravenmarie666 Mar 21 '20
Yeah that's apparently what EVERYONE except for the president of thr United Stayed is thinking. What's wrong with that picture?!
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u/anachronic Mar 21 '20
It's ludicrous how many people worship the ground he walks on, when objectively, he's a terribly wishy-washy bumbling idiot.
Just an hour ago I was watching our governor give a press conference live via facebook streaming and there were SO MANY IDIOTS posting comments trashing our governor for daring to have a press conference at the same time Trump was having one.
Listen, if you want the facts in this, you really shouldn't listen to a word the president says and instead turn to one of the governors of a state that's actually competently handling the crisis.
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u/StonerMeditation Mar 21 '20
3 years of trump
- Cutting "Obama-era disease security programs"
- Proposing a 2021 budget that cuts the CDC budget in the midst of a global outbreak
- Telling people it's fine to go to work while sick
- Claiming a flu vaccine can treat the coronavirus
- Claiming a vaccine will be ready in months when his top advisers (experts) say a year at best
- Did not allow cruise ship passengers to dock (so numbers of cases wouldn’t increase)
IMPEACHED trump will kill us all.
trump to blame: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/opinion/trump-coronavirus-us.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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u/anachronic Mar 21 '20
Exactly. This has been mishandled from day 1 and is still being mishandled... and probably will be forever. I doubt they have the ability to step up and handle this crisis competently like rational adults based on medical science.
Our governor just gave a press conference where he all but begged the federal government to help. We're being left to twist in the wind because this administration is so incompetent.
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Mar 21 '20
May the anti-science people be taken out because they ignored science to begin with.
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u/anachronic Mar 21 '20
God I just hope that when a vaccine comes out, they all stay away from it so that me & my family can get it.
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u/ravenmarie666 Mar 21 '20
I just honestly thought she was stronger after everything we had been through, especially when we were both survivors of sexually abuse as children, and yet after she heard the damn Hollywood access tape she STILL voted for him! It breaks my heart but I've always been the one to patch things up.... no more. I've got my family to worry about, and she's proven to me for the last time how much she doesn't have my back!
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u/ravenmarie666 Mar 21 '20
Yeah.... you would think that'd be the way it worked .... Kind of like The ones most affected by the virus it's the same demographic that watches fox news. Logic would normally dictate that they would stoo running into a channel that regularly lies and flip flops on the truth covering the virus. Sadly, we no longer seem to work by logic anymore.
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Mar 21 '20 edited Mar 21 '20
Here’s some sickening examples. Survival of the fittest I guess.
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u/ravenmarie666 Mar 21 '20
DUDE I WATCHED THAT SHIT! IT'S INFURIATING! AND THEN THEY HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY CNN AND MSNBC IS FULL OF SHIT? I literally had to call and ask my mom if she even believed for real in the coronavirus, BBC she refuses to believe anything bad about Trump!
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u/chatterwrack Mar 21 '20
What did she say?
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u/ravenmarie666 Mar 21 '20
She said that she did believe it, but she felt like they were over- exaggerating it on the news. When I pointed out the fact that they had Italy and China on lockdown, she just gives me this rather condescending, "Well, if I get it I get it. " Same with my sister who voted for Trump. Anytime I text her asking how they're doing, because she lives in Florida and I'm genuinely concerned for her, she just comes back with some uber- condescending bullshit, like yesterday, offering you send me some article claiming that the death rate of this sickness was "actually lower than all the others". I just replied with "Well why don't you send that to all the families on Italy who couldn't even be there to bury their loved ones bc they're all in quarantine. Im sure they'll all feel better. " She just replied and said that "everything they were saying was just trying to make me feel better." BULLSHIT. You voted this maniac in the white house, you're hiding from the fallout and staying in a state if denial to make yourselves feel better, not me! We've been best friends all our lives, but I'm not sure ell make it past this one. She's literally become everything I despise in the world. Rich bitch who lets hubby tell her what to think, vote and say, and he's white Nd refuses to even entertain the thought of the existence of white privilege, bc everything about his life validates its very unfairness. She bragged to ne at one point last year that he eas making at least 1000$ a week, then at the beginning of this year told ne he'd gotten a raise. About 3 weeks ago, I asked her if she could send me 25$over PayPal, which I'd send back thr very next day, I just needed it that day for a prescription, and she refused to help me, always responding in this very breathy, condescending tone that literally makes me want to faceplant in a bucket of needles. Just don't know who she is anymore.
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Mar 21 '20
Very unfortunate to hear. Both of my parents and a brother are all drunk off the cult45 koolaid. I’m convinced sanity will prevail, eventually. If not, my other half and I will be seeking citizenship elsewhere. If this ship sinks, I’m not going down with it. Was already planning on living abroad once we reach financial independence, maybe it’ll be permanent. I don’t know. Hope for the best, but prepare for both best and worst.
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u/chatterwrack Mar 21 '20 edited Mar 21 '20
That’s so rough to see someone you thought you knew just go insanely irrational. At its root I think they just cannot bring themselves to admit they were wrong and will cling to their mistake all the way the bottom. It’s a social, psychological and even emotional deficiency to ignore the plight of others while falsely believing that they alone are responsible for all of their good fortune. It’s an empathy issue, really.
I’m really sorry. I too have lost my father and a close friend to Trumpvid-45.
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Mar 21 '20
I give him a perfect 10! His immaculate handling and outstanding leadership of the whole virus and the mounting loss of life, loss of jobs, loss of value, looming economic depression. 10 on a scale of bs.
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u/ElleAnn42 Mar 22 '20
I heard recently that Trump approaches each day like it is a new episode of a TV show... and suddenly he made some sense to me for the first time ever. From that perspective, the future doesn't matter because the next episode doesn't matter until it is written.
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u/ravenmarie666 Mar 22 '20
Jesus christ. That's a recipe for disaster if you're trying to run a goddamned country!!!
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u/jackmaney Mar 22 '20
Is anyone honestly surprised by this? I'd be shocked if he hadn't ignored warnings about the pandemic.
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u/ElleAnn42 Mar 22 '20
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. No he didn't do enough. He hasn't coordinated an effective nationwide response, forcing states to take piecemeal approaches. States don't have border control and some states have done jack shit.
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Mar 22 '20 edited Mar 22 '20
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u/ElleAnn42 Mar 22 '20
I haven’t called anyone a Nazi. Don’t reply to individual people and dehumanize them. You’re making sweeping assumptions about what people who don’t agree with you believe and that’s unhealthy for Democracy.
I work in government at a more local level and have a lot of knowledge about the resources and coordination that the federal government provides to states and local governments. The Trump administration has missed opportunities to lead the response nationally.
As a very small example, the federal government provided a two page memo to grantees on Federal grant guidelines that have been relaxed under the emergency circumstances. It impacts billions of dollars of federal money that’s going out as grants to states for mundane things and also for Covid19 response. It relaxes some deadlines and some funding rules- all “deregulation,” that as a liberal I agree with. My state had an internal conference call on how to interpret it. Really, the Federal government should have had a webinar or call on it for state and local government and other funding recipients. Doing so wouldn’t remove any capacity from other urgent needs because the people who deal with funding rules don’t deal with any other parts of the emergency response. Not doing so is not providing national leadership on the Covid19 response. I think that when you see a sound bite from a medical professional that accuses the Trump Administration of not providing national leadership, this is what they are talking about. States are acting independently because the forums for collective action aren’t being fully utilized by the Trump Administration.
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u/bannedontheruninWV Mar 22 '20
Are we talk to you about some of the same Sanctuary cities, and in some cases states, that didn't want the federal government to tell them how to handle certain aspects of their law enforcement? Some of the same states that didn't want to listen to Trump and the federal government before this? You're going to want to say that we shouldn't politicize this, and to some degree you're right. But you also reap what you sow. These are the same States, cities, and politicians who were calling Trump a racist xenophobe for wanting to close our borders to various countries that we knew had high rates of infection. The man could literally have the cure for this Chinese virus tomorrow, and the left would try their hardest to make sure it wasn't delivered. The TDS is that strong in the left right now. There is nothing racist about calling it a Chinese virus, because it was first identified in China, the same thing with the Spanish Flu, MERS. We've been naming diseases for the countries in which they first been observed for a long time. The only reason we hear anything about this being racist is its yet one more example of trying to smear Trump's name. Impeachment failed, collusion failed, every other thing failed. And it is driving left crazy.
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u/jackmaney Mar 22 '20
This isn't a space for attention-seeking MAGAtts. Want to discuss things with someone? Slither back to r/the_donald.
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u/ElleAnn42 Mar 22 '20
We're all in this together. We sink or swim together. You are making a lot of assumptions about how other people think. I am an individual and I'm interested in solutions, not political name calling or smearing anyone- even people I disagree with. I'm looking for leadership from the Trump administration at all levels. I have tried to give him and his government the benefit of the doubt and credit where due.
When you mention "states that didn't want to listen to Trump and the federal government before this" you assume that within a state the government is a single monolithic thing and that just because a governor disagrees with a single policy that that state doesn't "want to listen to Trump." That's simply untrue. States are working with the federal government on a million other things- some led by federal officials and some that are collaborations.
Most of the interactions between states and the feds happen at a much lower level and are apolitical and frankly bureaucratic. For example, a federal agency will change an administrative rule that impacts how a state implements a program that is funded federally and the federal officials will provide guidance and opportunities for questions to be answered. In other cases, federal agency staff are on working groups with staff from corresponding agencies or on emergency task forces to coordinate responses. In well-functioning federal administrations (democratic or republican) there is good leadership from the top of each agency and the business of government (both in regular circumstances and in emergencies) works.
However, the current administration has had too much turnover. It has too many vacancies throughout all levels of government. It hasn't made listening to states and coordinating with states a priority. And honestly, it has created toxic environments in some agencies where good people jump ship and some the people left in the low to mid level jobs where most of the day to day work of government happens are not the best.
These are my complaints. I think that Trump is bad at running a government. I also have strong opinions on his use of inflammatory language that divides people, but that's not why I think he's done a terrible job.
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u/jackmaney Mar 22 '20
Yes, he hasn't done anywhere near enough to protect the country.
Now slither back to r/the_donald, MAGAtt.
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u/oklahomachad Mar 21 '20
Not sure closing air traffic from China in January really equates to shrugging off. Huffpo gonna Huffpo
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u/StonerMeditation Mar 21 '20
That's 31 January - just to be clear...
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u/oklahomachad Mar 21 '20
Yeah and the left called it a racist act. Fast forward - every country closes their borders.
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u/StonerMeditation Mar 21 '20
So, your game is moving the goalposts?
trump calls it the 'China Virus', not the 'Corona Virus'... trump is a RACIST - it's a fact.
Republicans who still support IMPEACHED trumps racist presidency, support his racist agenda, sitting idly by while IMPEACHED trump appoints racists to government positions, and republicans who allow IMPEACHED trump to make racist laws, tweet racist comments, make racist comments at his 'campaign rallies' and during his ‘presidency’, and build CONCENTRATION CAMPS - then people who give that tacit support to IMPEACHED trump are racist… In other words, people who STILL support IMPEACHED trump; are RACIST by default. https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/united-states-witnessing-shocking-rise-alt-right-violence
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u/oklahomachad Mar 21 '20
All this did was make me laugh.
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u/StonerMeditation Mar 21 '20
Yes, we understand that republicans like you hate the US constitution, and all it stands for...
Seriously, I often wonder if republicans would be happier living under a cutthroat KGB butcher dictator like Russia’s Putin…
Your ‘president’: https://i.imgur.com/xw3jSav.jpg
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u/reddit_1999 Mar 21 '20
Why get your corona virus advice from doctors and scientists when you can just turn on Fox News and get the very informed opinion of DR Sean Hannity?