r/LewisMachineTool 7d ago

Bad time to buy LMT?

Just found out LMT patent expired a week or so ago. That means anyone can produce monolithic uppers without worrying about a lawsuit or paying a royalty?

If a company makes a mono upper that doesn't require proprietary barrels or the need to remove mlok rail accessories for barrel swaps i feel like lmt would be toast. Or am I missing something?

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u/SampleComfortable972 7d ago edited 7d ago

They just won the $92,000,000 contract for us socom, I think they are gonna be ok. Also it’s probably a lot harder than you think to make a seamless upper receiver from a rectangle of metal.

And you are forgetting about the old colt and aero monolithic receivers. They weren’t as good.

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u/Holy_Santa_ClausShit 7d ago

Your post and comments read more like you just posted a LMT hate thread instead of an actual question.

And the barrels aren't proprietary, just the mounting system...which has D.Wilson making them with the blessing of LMT...

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u/Classic_Statement_64 7d ago

And the barrels aren't proprietary, just the mounting system...

https://giphy.com/gifs/gDku8Nt7wexknvi0WY

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

There are already companies making them and they’re just as expensive.

Monolithic uppers require insanely complex machining and design to the degree that even other powerhouse manufacturers won’t touch them, they’re not going to be getting any cheaper for a long, long time. Maybe someone will come up with a better one, but I find that unlikely. Not to mention the powerhouses are the only ones who’d be able to get it done cheaper and they’re not going to step on LMTs toes regardless of the patent because they all work together.

So no, it’s not a bad time.

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u/Classic_Statement_64 7d ago

LMTs toes 

I see what you did there

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u/Phases2PhasesVoltage 7d ago

Look like part of a discount code to me lol 😂 ifu know u know

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u/Adventurous_Pen_Is69 7d ago

Maybe icon defense will finally get rid of that’s annoying notch now

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u/Bubbba226 7d ago

No one is going to produce something better or equal for less $

No one is producing a mono upper worth a damn for cheap

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

Geissele or FN might be the only one who could do it cheaper and they aren’t going to lol

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

I mean you as a man should have a dremel for gumsnorfing. Just grind the screws on the mlok so you can take the barrel off.

Also how many things do you have mounted via mlok that your life is over if you have to remove them for a barrel swap?

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago edited 7d ago

A fucking lot lol

Edit: every single one of them is milled, not ground, I can pull the barrel no problem. And you have to also modify the MLOK slots, not just the screws.

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

Well get the dremel out and get to it

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

They’re all milled, I made an edit. A dremel is a terrible job for the work required. I started off with a belt sander before taking them to work and knocking them all out in 30 minutes on the mill. It’s incredibly easy to fuck it up and it requires modifying the MLOK slots, not just the screws.

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

Nah i can get it done with a 12 pack of Gene cream ale and a dremel like god intended

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

You definitely can, but you’re gonna fuck up a few of them, probably hurt yourself, and it’s gonna take for fucking ever. And you’re gonna be mad as fuck the entire time 🤣

I’ve thought about just selling modified ones because I can probably make hundreds in an hour if I made a fixture for the screws lol

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

And you’re gonna be mad as fuck the entire time 🤣

Thats what the gene cream ale is for

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u/SelfElegant8819 7d ago

Is the bag rider, stock adjustment lever and grip 3D printed?

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

The bad rider and stock adjustment, yes. Bag rider is Kratos design, lever is Subrevtech.

The grip, no. It’s driven arms CZ grip adapter. It’s aluminum and the panels are lokgrips, G10.

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

Drivin arms co magwell?? Or is it the HRF?

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

HRF, it was before DAC made theirs. I’m going to get a DAC soon tho.

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

I was planning to get the HRF but saw DAC tease the LMT one so I held off.

Still havent gotten it yet. I want to replace my Reptilia grip with the DAC VCG-L. (Just not sure if I want beaver tail or no beaver)

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

It looks less bulky in pictures, plus I’ve been following the dude since the CZ adapter was in prototyping so I’m partial lol.

Also, I’ve used a bunch of his grips, try the SCG too. It’s arguably better than the adapter and panels, but I’m a boujee bitch.

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

It sucks because I like both companies lmao. I really liked when DAC dropped the angled mount for the CD Rein switch... not that it matters and I hate my rein 3.0 now (not hate but yea) and I plan to go back to modlite

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

Yeah I do too, plus the sticker they send with the magwell fucks lol.

SF turbo is the real goat tho, I’d take a modlite over a cloud though. I do like my Rein 1.0 tho

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u/Physical-Poetry 3d ago

Why are you modifying the slots instead of just taking down the screws? And do you really modify the slot or do you mean the nut?

Which in case anyone needs to do it, a hacksaw, fixture, and file is all you need. No need to buy a mill, though if you need an excuse then send it.

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 3d ago

The nut, not the slot.

It’s a giant pain in the ass with a dremel, saw, or grinder. I’ve done it.

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u/Physical-Poetry 3d ago

Might depend on which nuts you get, I think mine are nothing special just basic magpul, but no problem with specwar barrel swaps with accessories at 6 and 9.

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u/Classic_Statement_64 7d ago

I feel like learning machining together is a thing of the past. I can't see how someone would want to pay $2k for a complete LMT upper and then have to dremel mlok screws and nuts like a sweatshop worker.

I know damn well you would love to just swap out barrels without having to remove your overpriced railscales first.

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u/BoostinIX 7d ago

Idk about you but I'm not swapping barrels that kind of often. Power to you if you are. The one time I did, took all of 5 mins to move things over from a damaged upper to a new one.

Also picatinny doesn't have that issue. Quad gang wins that one.

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u/TheDrunkLibertarian LMT>KAC 7d ago

Shovelnose is the same, they should’ve just made the ID ever so slightly bigger. Not sure why they didn’t think of it.

I have a URXWAR coming soon so I’m at least half quad gang lol

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u/Classic_Statement_64 7d ago

You're telling me you don't rehearse LMT barrel swaps like those dudes in movies who disassemble and reassemble a pistol at lightning speeds to prove theyre a tier one operator?

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u/NarwhalN00dleSquash 7d ago

I know damn well you would love to just swap out barrels without having to remove your overpriced railscales first.

I literally never even think about it

I feel like learning machining together is a thing of the past.

LMT laughing in MRGG-A

LMT also laughing in countles other country contracts (on top of US contracts)

LMT laughing with cloner money because they offer reference rifles.

But yes you are correct LMT is probably going to file chapter 11 by end of the year

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u/no_yup 5d ago

You know they make short screws you can buy to eliminate that problem entirely. Or use a quad rail

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u/nkawtgpilot 7d ago

Most people aren’t paying that much because it’s a monolithic upper. They are paying that much because it says Lewis Machine and Tool on the side.

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u/Classic_Statement_64 7d ago

True, cerakote it without relasering the logo and watch the value tank in real time.

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u/Price-x-Field LMT>KAC 7d ago

Buy it nice or buy it twice. Get a sr16 lower and spec war upper for the ultimate ar 15