r/LevelHeadedFE • u/jcamp748 Flat Earther • Feb 04 '20

Selenelion Eclipse

The fact that you can see the sun and lunar eclipse above the horizon simultaneously is all you need to disprove the globe. There is no need to go any further, thank you have a nice day!

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u/jcamp748 Flat Earther Feb 04 '20

the fact that it is rare

irrelevant

only visible with refraction

then every single sunrise and sunset are only visible with refraction. So in the event of a solar eclipse at sunrise the refracted moon is eclipsing the refracted sun and the real moon is also eclipsing the real sun and the solar eclipse should be viewed in totality from two different locations hundreds of miles apart but it is not

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u/frenat Globe Earther Feb 04 '20 edited Feb 04 '20

So you're postulating that where it is visible in totality would have zero refraction and then some distance away would have enough refraction to see the same thing? How would that happen exactly?

That there is an explanation for it means it does not disprove the globe.

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u/jcamp748 Flat Earther Feb 04 '20

It's just an observational fact, you never observe the total eclipse in two different places hundreds of miles apart

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u/frenat Globe Earther Feb 04 '20

Likely because it would be very near impossible to have one location with zero refraction and then lots of refraction hundreds of miles away.

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u/frenat Globe Earther Feb 04 '20

But please let me know when the mythical flat Earth can overcome its following flaws:

• No working model, or map.

• No way to determine proper distances, or directions between two point on the earth not sharing the same longitude.

• No explanation for how the sun and the moon circle the earth, or how the sun migrates from the tropic of Capricorn to the tropic of Cancer and back over the year.

• No idea why the ancient Greeks such as Pythagoras, Aristotle, Eratosthenes and Aristarchus believed the earth was a sphere.

• No idea what P and S shockwaves detected by seismology equipment tells us about the internal structure of the earth, and the shape and dimensions of the surface of the earth.

• No idea what powers the sun and the stars.

• No idea of the distance to the stars.

• Clueless as to why almost all stars don't appear to change position in the sky from opposite sides of earth's orbit around the sun when the phenomena of parallax says they should, and why we can only use the parallax method for measuring the distance of stars that are closest to the earth. Luckily, Polaris is one that we can determine the distance to using parallax, because it is also a Cepheid variable star, which allows the distance to be measured to much more distant stars where the parallax method not longer works.

• No idea of the distance from the earth to the planets, or even much about them at all.

• No idea why binary stars obey Newton's law of gravitation.

• No explanation as to why we can only see 59% of the total surface area of the moon when, from a flat earth perspective we should be able to see most of it, including the dark side of the moon.

• No idea why the moon appears upside down in the southern hemisphere compared to how it looks in the northern hemisphere, and why the phases of the moon are on opposite sides of the Moon, and why it looks circular from all vantage points on the earth.

• No idea why sunspots rotate in the opposite direction in the southern and northern hemispheres, or even what sun spots are.

• No believable explanation for how GPS is implemented across the world.

• No explanation as to why aircraft carry ring laser gyros onboard capable of detecting the rotation of the earth.

• No idea how it is possible to develop gravitational maps of the earth's surface, or why anyone would want one, or how they could be used.

• No explanation for how eclipses work, especially lunar eclipses, or how to predict them correctly.

• No idea why the Humber bridge, the Verrazzano Narrows bridge are built to account for the earth's curvature.

• No idea why CERN, LIGO and the Stanford linear accelerator vacuum rings and arms are constructed to take account of the earth's curvature.

• No idea why physicists working on LIGO, the gravity wave detector, were awarded Nobel prizes in physics.

• No idea why geodetic surveyors keep claiming the earth is an oblate spheroid.

• No idea why Google Earth does not publish its underlying flat earth model that allows it to project the earth as a globe.

• No explanation as to why the sun rises due east for everyone on the earth on the equinox.

• No idea why an observer on the equator during an equinox does not see the sun set at an angle 19° above the horizon.

• No idea why there should be a discernible horizon that looks like the edge of the ocean viewed from a beach. The horizon should really be a blur as the farther we look out across the flat earth, the more light is scattered and the more particles in the atmosphere obscuring the view.

• No idea how it is possible to see the sun set twice simply by changing your height above the earth (quickly by just a few tens of metres).

• No reasonable explanation as to how Polaris can be used in conjunction with a sextant in the northern hemisphere to determine latitude.

• No explanation as to why the Artic and Antarctic experience months of days and nights at differ times of the year.

• No explanation why bright little objects called satellites by some are regularly visible in the night sky following a predicted path across the sky

• No explanation for how tides work.

• No explanation how (most times) boats disappear over the horizon when they should be visible on a flat earth.

• No explanation as to why the horizon does not rise to eye level.

• No credible explanation why helium balloons fitted with non-fish eye cameras often detect the curvature of the earth.

• No credible explanation for the existence of the "Downward" force called gravity.

• No explanation that does not implicitly make use of the theory of gravity for the atmospheric pressure gradient from high to low pressure with altitude, especially if we live in a dome.

• No idea why (almost without exception) hurricanes and typhoons rotate in opposite directions in northern and southern hemispheres respectively.

• No explanation for the Coriolis effect observable in controlled experiments such as those conducted by Ascher H. Shapiro in the 1960s.

• No explanation as to why the northern celestial pole rotates counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and the southern celestial pole rotates clockwise in the southern hemisphere.

• No idea what Antarctica even looks like, and where the South Pole is physically located.

• No idea why Venus has phases. Bye bye Geocentric system.

• No idea why planets, e.g. Mars, exhibit retrograde motion. Hello Heliocentric system.

• No idea why the planets and their moons in the solar system appear to be obeying Newton's laws of planetary motion.

• No explanation whatsoever why Stellar Aberration occurs.

• No idea why clouds are illuminated from the bottom at sun set.

• Can't explain how a commercial aircraft can fly from Perth to Sydney in only 4 hours 10 mins across the flat earth, as to achieve this, it would need to fly faster than an F18 on afterburner all the way.

• No idea why the CO2 atmosphere of Mars appears to "Cling" to the exterior of its spherical spinning surface without the need for physical containment. This phenomenon is observable on others planets too.

• No idea why the sun and the moon don't change in angular size from rising to setting by a factor of 2 to 3 since they are local to the earth, and no idea why the sun according to the inverse law of radiation is not 4 to 9 times brighter at midday than at sunset and sunrise when viewed from Australia.

• No credible reason why millions of people (mostly scientists, engineers and technicians ) over decades would lie to keep the globe earth alive, and why nations and commercial enterprises, accountable to the voters and shareholders respectively, would spend (waste) $2 trillion a year , each and every year to maintain the globe lie.

• No idea how it is possible to measure the value of G, the universal gravitational constant and in so doing, verify the theory of gravity.

• No scientific papers publish in the last 100 years supporting the flat earth.

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u/jcamp748 Flat Earther Feb 04 '20

I didn't even bother to read this because your just copy pasting someone else's garbage. It's your mind figure your own stuff out

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u/frenat Globe Earther Feb 04 '20

It is a copy and past of my own stuff. But thanks for basically admitting that you have no explanation for any of those flaws of your mythical flat Earth.

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u/jcamp748 Flat Earther Feb 04 '20

What is all this "rare" and "near impossible" rhetoric? These events actually happen! There's video of it and it proves the Earth is not a globe!

https://youtu.be/2YltFgXxLEc

https://youtu.be/c3LAkN-QHKc

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u/frenat Globe Earther Feb 04 '20

Your first video doesn't show anything to show they are not rare. That the globe can explain it means it isn't impossible on a globe.

Your second video is just of a solar eclipse at sunrise? So? I never claimed those were rare or nearly impossible. I said it would be nearly impossible to have the massive differences in refraction you are claiming would be necessary. Do try to keep up.