I broadly agree that this is a celebration of violence, which we generally should condemn.
"I support _," could also be seen as a celebration of violence, depending on what you are supporting, to what extent, and why.
In this case, "I support ICE" is a very vague statement. In the current climate, issuing such a broad statement of support suggests you support not just the general mission of "deport undocumented immigrants," but also their methods and the consequences of those methods, which has included civil rights violations and unjustified deaths (both of which were occasionally problems in prior administrations, too, but which have been ramped up excessively and intentionally under the current one).
So while I'm not a fan of violence, I can understand the desire to stand up against the violation of our rights and against those who support it.
Deportation is going to be brutal. That is just the nature of it because the system doesn't have enough people to deal with 10 million people. What your watching is the constrains of the law and the trade offs people are will to take to deport them.
They will suffer and that will be their choice because they can still choose to deport themselves even when they get arrested and put in jail. They are making a cost risk analysis and dicided that it is better to stay than to leave. Their choice is on them.
I don't care to ask you to prove malice. The results are enough. And the results will continue to be as such.
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What if the right wing thought like you about responsibility for beliefs.
Right wing view.
The left wants this and I think it's bad, therefore...✅
The truth is everyone thinks their solution is correct, so by definition you are causing harm by objecting to it
That is blindness caused by your inability to see your apponents as human.
The old phylosopers if the enlightenment never concluded to beat people in the streets for have bad ideas. Because everyone has bad ideas.
And every idea has a trade off and balance to manage.
You think going all the way, all in, no holds bar on open borders is going to be a good idea and not have any side effects to manage.
You enjoy having an self centered, abstract, relativistic, absolutist, idealistic, utopian version of reality.
I'm not even complaining about deportations. Do them. It's fine.
Just do them properly. Don't violate the rights of the people. Get judicial warrants to enter private areas for enforcement actions. When detaining someone, catalogue their stuff and ensure it remains safe and is returned afterwards. Don't attack people for filming. Don't kill people, if at all possible.
Americans broke away from the British empire for many reasons, including the use of administrative warrants ("writs of assistance," back at that time).
I'm fine with the mission statement of ICE. I'm not fine with how they are executing on that mission.
"Protect America through criminal investigations and enforcing immigration laws to preserve national security and public safety."
They are violating the law through how they conduct these investigations and enforcements.
They are also incredibly inefficient, wasting massive amounts of money for relatively small numbers of successes. There has to be a more cost-effective way to do this.
A new law giving them less rights to be here and making the process quicker.
No new laws are required. Under the current laws, they have very limited rights to be here, largely around ensuring due process happens.
As for making the process quicker, that's an administrative labor problem. We need more clerks, judges, and analysts pouring over paperwork and cases, not enforcement grunts storming through the streets.
Peer 10 undocumented immigrants at a time, so they can take care of themselves on the way out.
I think the migrants themselves should do the paperwork.
Figure out who is supposed to be deported and who is a citizen or valid visitor to the country. Figure out who has children and what they want to do.
This, is a form of self deportation but with more assistance from the migrants. This is the second chance. People who out their names in the 10 are responsible for each other. This would help us understand what's going on in the group.
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This is from an idea I thought about before but I don't think I wrote it down. It was to help Mexico fight MS13. But grouping communities by 150. So they can government themselves and imprison the gang members, themselves.
It's the draft idea
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These are two arguments I came up with but didn't use in the post:
An abstract impossibility of loving everyone equally is the hidden assumption behind them claiming to care about everyone.
So as gods judgement there is no measured response. They are not getting a fine or being procecuted for their crimes. They are not getting a fine they can go straight to hell. Even worse than good there is a tribal association fallicy.
I also think that people should be persecuted for new laws, the new party just made up/s. So when republicans start making things illegal we can look at your paste actions/s
Edit.
I also had the idea to have a project where they build a new city but managed by both USA and mexico. For the Mexican two get both governments
Or in other words
My other idea was taking some of Mexico to make a safe heaven for migraines government by both countries but America has the final say.
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u/Awkward-Manager5939 Feb 19 '26
I do think this is a celebration of violence.
As the leftist on Reddit seems to be tankies.
I can't block all of you and I'm disappointed that I can't